Help with Bow Stern Toggle - Pics inside

Greetings Everyone!



In an earlier post "Help with Perimeter Lines - Pics inside " http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=advice&tid=1602978 I had a few questions answered about installing perimeter lines.



After reading the helpful posts, I think I am ready to proceed. However, I would like to avoid pad eyes if possible (and I just bought a bunch of them and an uber pop rivet gun as well :-/) and minimize the number of holes I need to drill into the boat.



Looking at the bow & stern, it looks like the further most ends are epoxy filled?

http://bobchu.com/temp1/Bow-Is_it_Epoxy_Filled.jpg

http://bobchu.com/temp1/Stern-Is_it_Epoxy_Filled.jpg





If so, I was thinking, it would be ideal, if I could run the furthest most bow and stern ends of the perimeter lines through the current bow & stern toggle locations. I would then drill a hole through the epoxy filled areas and relocate the toggle points to those locations?



http://bobchu.com/temp1/Stern-Toggle_Location.jpg

http://bobchu.com/temp1/Stern-Toggle_Location.jpg





In this way I would really only need to drill two holes (albiet larger holes), and the deck would stay mostly snag free. If this seems like a sound idea, would it be best to drill at option #1 or option #2?



Thank you in advance again!,



Bob

once again
Bob, once again I might have a suggestion here: http://gnarlydognews.blogspot.com.au/2009/06/sea-kayak-grab-handles.html

I like to have my toggles at the end of the boat where surf wet-exits will not harm my hands if I am holding onto the kayak (best if kayak is held by bow/stern than sides).

I like the retractable end toggle to prevent pesky banging of handle: http://gnarlydognews.blogspot.com.au/2011/02/shop-retractable-grab-handle.html

I thought I saw it on your blog! :slight_smile:
Thanks again Gnarly Dog!



I thought I saw this idea on your blog a while ago :slight_smile:



From looking at your retrofits, it looks like you put the toggles pretty far at the ends of the kayak? It looks like one of the holes were drilled near/on the deck/hull seam. Have you noticed any odd issues because of this? If I were to follow a similar scheme - I would be putting the toggles at these locations?:

http://bobchu.com/temp1/Bow-Toggle_Location_1.jpg

http://bobchu.com/temp1/Stern-Toggle_Location_1.jpg





I was thinking of looping the line through the toggle, binding the 2 lines together so I donโ€™t accidentally put a finger through them and having a bungee holding the handle taught on the deck. - it looks like you have one line connecting to the toggle - any issues with balance?



Thanks again!,



Bob

balance
I have no balance problems with my toggle line being one sided only since they are opposed (port side on bow, starboard on stern) and carrying the kayak balances them out.

I have not noticed any adverse behaviour when holding it just one end, in the water.

Your proposed location looks fine to me since you have your kayakโ€™s ends filled.

In one of my kayaks I had to add a small section of fibreglass tube where the ends of the kayak were hollow: I glassed them in with epoxy paste.

If you were to go for the retractable-handle line maybe consider angling the hole to facilitate the sliding of the rope.

In other kayaks I have joined the loop in the line with PVC tubing to prevent fingers being inserted in the lopp and injured if kayak were to spin (like in a surf wet exit).