Scared of canoeing, help please!

Risk?

– Last Updated: Apr-28-13 1:34 PM EST –

The primary risk is hypothermia if the water temperature is below 70F. You can certainly die of hypothermia if you can't reach shore and remain in the water for a long time. If the water is below 70F you should keep the canoe close to shore and if it is windy stay on the downwind side of the lake. You aren't going to drown with a PFD on unless you lose consciousness. As far as your level of fear you just need to go swimming with that PFD on and see how well it works.

http://www.useakayak.org/references/hypothermia_table.html

Some swimming lessons would help,
but IMHO…two adults(Recreational level) and three children in a 17footer isn’t a great setup. An OT Tripper has the most chances…but something larger, with soft edges would help. The addition of the three children definitely needs the more initial stability.

Sounds like someone is used to paddling solely with their arms while remaining motionless…(—> doomed to pain).

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Get some lessons
Three very young children and a not-very-confident adult in the water is a difficult situation to deal with. Your husband’s swimming skills are not the main concern, it is his canoeing skills.

Can he handle the canoe in a brisk wind or is there a risk it could get blown away from the shore? Does he know how he would go about getting the five of you back in the boat quickly in the event of a capsize? Does he know that the kids must be wearing full life-jackets and not just PFDs? Does he know how he would summon outside assistance should it be required?



The best time to learn the answer to these questions is during controlled practice sessions supervised by experienced people, not during a real incident.

O.K. next would be to hear from
your husband for a balanced understanding …

Scared
Lots of great advice. I may sound harsh but do not pass on your fear of water to your children. Get comfortable on the water before you go out again with them. Kids pick up on parents fears very easily. Obviously, good pfd’s that fit and are appropriate are key. When my daughters were 5 or 6 I would flip the canoe near shore (at about 6 ft deep or so) so they know what it would feel like. It showed them that the canoe would not sink and that it was not that big of a deal. Good luck.

baby steps dealing with consequences
Fear is about thinking (over thinking?) about consequences. So the key is to directly confront those consequences but in extra safe situations. Start by spending more time in the water letting your PFD help you float and learning to trust it. Dress warm enough that you can just float without getting cold. Just float for a while then swim to shore. Learning to swim without a PFD is even better for confidence even if you always have the PFD. Next, in very shallow water (three feet or so) get goofy and gradually swing the boat back and forth until it does flip. Do the same with the kids. The more being in the water is a non-event the more you relax in the boat. You also learn where the real line is before flipping which may be less of a risk than you had thought.

Canoe fear
Build your confidence in a stepwise fashion. Start by paddling without the kids. Wear a PFD and go when the water is warm. Turn the boat over on purpose in shallow water. Learn its limitations. Learn to rescue yourself. Take swim lessons. Then when you figur all that out and have some confidence you can take the babies.



Your fear is natural and helps to preserve your whole family. You were not ready to be out there. It is supposed to be fun.

Non swimmers should not be on the water

– Last Updated: Apr-30-13 2:23 PM EST –

After you learn to swim, you can learn the "Boat Boogie Wiggle". It's easy to learn and fun to do. Really works to overcome the fear. Learn to swim first. Does it make sense to be on the water if you can't swim? Why not take a class in Lifeguarding if you're going out with kids? Knowing how to swim is one thing but knowing how to rescue is another.

And of course, learn to swim in full gear, using the paddle and without losing boat.

And non-flyers…
… should not be in airplanes?



Stay within the limits of what you can wade out of (it only takes about 6" to float the boat and another foot or so to use a paddle effectively), and get used to the canoe. You can be taking swimming lessons as well, in the meantime.

The issue is not acquiring skills or a
canoe–The issue sounds like a spouse leading you somewhere that you(and your little ones)are not ready to go…Discuss your ANXIETY with your husband first(instead of with all these “experts” here.) Then mutually arrive at a plan and proceed slowly.



That is, only if it’s what YOU also wholeheartedly

really want.

In addition to the other advice…
If you were paddling in the bow (front) the kids movements etc. were going on behind your back and hard to anticipate. Try paddling from the stern for a time or two. I think when you a wary beginner It is less alarming when you can see what is causing the boat movement.


  • mike

Non-flyers in airplanes
Little choice there unless the airlines are going to go back to 10 seater prop planes that a larger number of people could learn to fly. Individuals can control whether a few people in a boat can handle a problem though.

No choice?
Of course there is. Choose not to fly.



My point is that there is no practical reason that the OP can’t learn to be comfortable in a canoe while keeping it restricted to non-moving water shallow enough to walk in. Swimming lesson can be taken simultaneously, and will open up the rest of the lake for her. Safety is one thing, but that warning has a ring of exclusivity about it. I know there are folks operating canoes and other boats that are physically unable to swim, but manage to stay out of trouble.



The “non-swimmers shouldn’t be on the water” remark makes as much sense as “non runners should stay out of cars”, or the one I hear most often - “bicycles should stay off the road”. In a controlled situation in walking-depth water, with people able and prepared to give aid nearby and watching(or ideally in the same boat), no big wind or other hazards - no reason why she can’t be working on familiarity with the canoe, and even having some enjoyment in one.

wow!
Would you venture a guess how many folks living in Greenland, the place blamed for the “Greenland Paddle”, can swim?

Not Practical

– Last Updated: May-01-13 4:36 PM EST –

I am retired and have, for the most part sworn off flying because I have something going on that makes me and scanners a poor fit. But I have the luxury of that time - someone who is working a job where they have to be a lot of places in a short time does not have the choice of skipping planes. Higher end execs can at times pull that perk - younger people trying to start a career can't. If you have a job where you could make demands like this, you are one of the rare ones.

As to shallow water and drowning - the idea that no one drowns in shallow water comes around regularly, but the numbers do not bear that out. I just checked, and the best I can say is that it might have improved slightly from when I took my early lifesaving course. But it is still too many. My stepmother happens to be one of these folks - she nearly drowned in 3 feet of water a few years ago. Had they not gotten her out quickly - she was too panicked to stand up - she'd have aspirated a very risky amount of water into her lungs.

The link below gets you to a report on drownings in regulated environments - pools and guarded beaches - in NY state 1987 thru 2010. Pages 14 and 15 have the stats on deaths by depth of water at initial submersion. Per the charts on page 14, 32 out of 171 drowned in less than 3.5 ft of water, another 43 in water depth 3.5 ft to 5 ft. The pie charts on page 15 seem to show higher percentages of drownings at less than 5 ft, but it I am having trouble discerning the difference between pale grey and mid-grey (it is a B&W report) so can't say more than that it is enough people to take it seriously.

http://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/outdoors/swimming/docs/drowning_statistics.pdf

I am not saying that everyone who is a poor swimmer would end up in a full panic, aspirate a fatal amount of water and drown in 3 feet of water. But unless you are walking around with a crystal ball, there is no way to know if a stranger you are dealing with will or will not be that one in a few.

I happen to have been an on-again off-again road bicyclist, BTW. We got the road by the LAW (before the name change) working state by state to agree that bicyclists would be liable for following the rules that cars have to on the road. The reason that drivers get frustrated is as often that the riders are ignoring that as that they simply find bikes inconvenient. I would be happy to see the police issuing more tickets than they do to bicycle riders.

But why are they in a boat?

– Last Updated: May-01-13 3:32 PM EST –

As far as I am aware, young people in Greenland are put into a boat as early as they can manage. Given the water temps, it is their version of swimming I guess.

But why did people who live in those climates traditionally get into a boat to start with? It was to make necessary travel from one encampment to the other - hence the huge barge-like boats that literally whole families could get into - or to get food. And the death rate for the hunting parties not infrequently hit 50% if I heard that right.

I would guess that most people in Greenland now use a car for the same purposes that kayaks (or dog sleds) may have once been necessary, like going into town for supplies. And it is probably now like it has always been - not everyone does (or ever has) kayaked. Even a long time ago it would have made little sense to risk someone who was critical to a community's well-being by putting them in a boat unless it was absolutely necessary. Native peoples knew how quickly cold water kills long before white guys put together fancy charts.

None of this is comparable to the reason that people in Northern America get into a canoe and puddle around on a lake or a river. This is optional activity, not necessary for survival. There is the time and the opportunity, usually, to first learn to be safe and comfortable in the water.

With 7 years as professional lifeguard
Stay off the water if you can not swim. There’s 20 reasons why non swimmers should not go in or on the water. Don’t get in a boat until you can swim well in full gear. Don’t go in a pool, a river or a lake.

Your provided stats
show that from 1987 to 2010, two drowned in regulated pools and 5 at regulated beaches - in less than about 3’ of water. No info there about whether any of those had pfds on, or a swamped boat to hold onto. No breakdown of those numbers by age or body type. Of those drowning in 3’ - not even a breakdown of alcohol use.



Sure - it can happen, but I can think of a lot more dangerous things people do every day without a thought about it. And it doesn’t even take 3’ to float and paddle a canoe, or to learn how to stay in one. I’m just suggesting a little perspective here.



OTOH - http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_dro_and_sub_fol_fal_int_bat_tub-following-fall-into-bath-tub



What’s up with those Japanese?

Feeling frisky today.
How does a non-swimmer then, learn to swim? Books?



I know - I’m being argumentative. But I see some boxed-in thinking here.

take a class
People seem to get overly defensive whenever someone suggests swimming. But we’re not talking olympic swimming here. We’re talking learning enough to help you survive and move around in the water. That’s it. As one is doing that one becomes comfortable in the water.



I’ve been in the water all my life, since I can remember, so I may be blinded to the alternative, but I will never understand how someone who paddles a canoe or kayak doesn’t think it’s important to be comfortable in the water. That means some minimal measure of swimming ability.