bungee + olive cleats to cinch down
very tight to deck - little exposed to catch water
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experience: been through lots of surf. once had to retrieve (in non practice situation)
(my preference - rear deck)
Andy
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I carry spare paddles, you can
ask BrazilBrazil why 
here
is how I carry a Euro Blade
http://www.geocities.com/roym52/bungie-2-1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/roym52/bungie-1-1.jpg
a Greenland stick is the same…holds good
Best Wishes
Roy
Why and placement
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I have a split, one piece front and one back these days on the expedition boat. It leaves me with one part that is always available to rip off the deck without cluttering the front deck too much, and seems to keep me out of the front or back debates.
I like the pieces of plumbing as much for ease of use as for security - it's faster to get the end that is far away from me secured by aiming at the tubing than having to wiggle something under deck line. At 5'4" I am further away from that far end of the paddle than a lot of guys.
I've never needed it for myself as a replacement paddle, but I have had happen what is described above. I stuck my paddle under the bungies and it went out away from me. Since I was with other paddlers I asked one to come up and grab it, but if I had been alone my only shot would have been to use a spare paddle to reach it or paddle to it once loose. Try to remember to use the beener or the wrist leash now...
Just one comment on what to use for a spare - I find the easiest thing to actually rip off the deck if you need is to roll up is a piece of wood, either a GP or something like a Norsaq. With gloves on, which I wear a lot of the year, the ends of a Euro blade can be hard to feel and grip.
litte liklihood of us, good to have
Wind picks up, you get tired,flip in very cold water (I also paddle Jocasse) and paddle blows away, or someone else breaks a paddle … Not a big deal to carry a spare. Best spare is Greenland storm paddle.
i have found that the only way i could
replace a spare is with these tubes…i could only find white tubes in RI so it does clash a bit but hey…
http://lh3.google.com/image/corgimas/RbjxGgM0MKI/AAAAAAAAAAo/yKPwSelWHUI/2006_0818yes0036.JPG?imgmax=640
i did just find in a local hardware store a different pipe…might be good to just use as a end cap…instead of a long tube that runs past the compass…have to go and reconnoiter…
spare: why should your spare paddle be a cheaper paddle???if something happens to your primary paddle do you really want to have to count on something that might not be as reliable???
Very good information yield on this…
aspects I had not considered.
Point of minor interest. When C-1 whitewater paddlers took a spare paddle, the blade was behind, under a bungee crossing the stern. The paddle shaft was held near the grip, by a small loop of light bungee material, against a clip attached to the hull a little behind the cockpit. I could reach behind with my lower hand, grab the T-grip, push outward to displace the small loop from the clip, yank the blade out of the stern bungee, and I was in action again. But the only time I ever needed to do that was when I broke my primary Norse side-surfing.
Nowadays, few WW C-1s have enough front or rear deck room.
Still, it might be worth setting that up on my little sea kayak, assuming the rear deck has space for the blade bungee, and that I find a short single blade useful as a spare. I’m not likely to have a lot of other gear on the deck, because at my current 220#, I am darn near too heavy for the boat. It will be used mostly for fast probe runs on big mountain lakes, for salt marsh runs, and for light surfing.
In surf…
…I’ve had paddles leave the boat several times that were only held on with bungees, even on ‘brit boats’ with bungees place on deck for this purpose. The only thing that has worked 100% so far for me is the front deck ‘paddle tubes’ mentioned above. If it’s rough, you want those splits secure–one less thing to have to worry about, IMHO.
If you have a copy of TITS 1, watch the section with Ginnie Callahan (sp) surfing. Her spares on the rear deck (I’ve had the same thing happen on the front.) appear to be held on by bungees or straps and they are on their way off the boat in the footage.
Best?
“Best spare is Greenland storm paddle”
Best spare is one you are familiar with. If someone doesn’t practice sliding stroke and is not comfortable doing it in conditions - it could be a very poor choice. Same goes for single blade/canoe paddles as kayak spares.
If you are familiar with one - then yes - one piece, stows/retrieves easy, and great for rolling.
“Best” spare for most is often their favorite paddle, just before their new favorite paddle.
in my rush
no no not a hurry, my OT Rush I have a spare. The boat is SO big I have an old paddle inside with me. Now I do NOTHING exciting that would constitute NEEDing a spare. I do use it though in different conditions and more importantly as a beater. I love my Bending Branches, but I am always a little afraid of breaing it. My other is an aluminium and plastic that I feel nothing wrong with using as a lever. I keep it broke down, one half on eaither side of me. The seat and shape of the hull let me wedge it in.
Liveoutside
Two piece paddles and bunji security
Stretch a full loop or twist around the shaft of each 1/2 paddle before sliding the blades under.
Splits still pop out with ‘surf wrap’…
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...in bungees in surf. It's happened to me and that's why these 'ugly pipes' were developed in the first place. Restowing the spares back under a bungee on the water is impossible to do by yourself--not so with the pipes.
Again, from:
http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=advice&tid=461903
"history and development
Posted by: otterslide on Mar-27-06 5:10 PM (EST)
Here is the whole story of those "ugly pipes".
Many years ago, Steve(Flatpick) and I were taking a BCU 5* training with Andy Stamp.
One of the exercises took place in a tide race at Race Rocks (close to Victoria, BC). We had to throw our paddles as far as we could, then flip over, grab one of the paddle splits on the deck, roll up, then use the half paddle to chase down and retrieve the thrown paddle. Point was, a leader in those conditions absolutely cannot fail.
The biggest issue, to my mind, was that after retrieving my whole paddle, stowing the split was a PITA without rafting up with someone else.
Back home, I came up with 4" pvc pipe, cut in half, and stuck under the forward bungies to use as a holster. Problem (sort of) solved.
But then it was taken to another level by Jon Walpole, a BCU L4Sea coach. He came up with the improved and commonly used system of useing longer and smaller diameter tubing. It worked so well, others started using it, Steve was a major factor in spreading the word beyond our local area.
BUT-
turns out there was an added benefit. To address the issue of a "cluttered" deck, first keep in mind that current practices within the BCU is that, if you use a towing system, and have anything on your back deck, you are asking for trouble (entanglement). Thus, another reason for keeping the paddles on the foredeck (in addition to making them more accessable). But in big surf, even with using half twists in the bungie, losing a spare (aka "split") is an eventual given with paddles on the foredeck.
Unless they are holstered in the ugly pipes! Voila,no more surf yard sales involving spare paddles.
Check out the latest Werner paddles catalogue. There is a picture of Leon Somme' surfing a sea boat on the Skook. Notice the ugly, but effective, paddle holsters...
karl"
Gears on a Bicycle
There are uphill and downhill gears on a bicycle. I decided to have an upwind and a downwind paddle for the kayak. I don’t use the word ‘spare’ but if I lose one I have the other.
“impossible to do by yourself”?
Really? For who? In what conditions?
If true - then that certainly needs to be remedied. Obviously the pipes are one way. I’m just not so sure I’d want MORE stuff on deck to do it though.
All this talk is just making me that much happier with my GPs (particularly with lines/sliders - which I’ll probably replace some of all of the bungees on my commercial kayak with).
For anybody, I would think.
Speaking only from my personal experience, trying to restow a Euro on the front deck while underway is impossible unless some mods have been made to your forward bungees. And, that was the impetus behind the invention of these ‘ugly pipes’ by Karl and then Walpole. There’s a reason these things continue to gain popularity–they work! For restowing, for keeping the shaft secure in rough conditions, etc. If there’s something else that does that for Euro splits, I’d sure like to see it. Can you reach forward 6’ from your cockpit seat and lift a bungie to slide a blade or shaft under in flat calm conditions? And while your at it, add a surf wrap to that shaft, huh? My arms are just a little too short for that…but my wife says…umm…well…nevermind.
Unless you make a modification to your bungees somehow like fadedred did:
http://www.geocities.com/roym52/bungie-1-1.jpg ,
(fadeded: How has this worked in surf? My, albeit limited experience, tells me that I wouldn’t be in the surf long before I’d have a split yard sale as it seems a ‘surf wrap’ would be more secure and I’ve had that fail more than once.) or use the ‘ugly pipes’, I’d like to know how Euro splits are restowed efficiently on the water on the front deck. GP is a much different animal and easier no doubt. But I think the discussion and pics have been about Euro ‘splits’.
I have pipes but…
It’s very hard to stow the “button” side of my Werner paddle in the tubes by reaching from the cockpit. Just a little too tight for standard plumbing waste tubes. This is the standard shaft so maybe the narrow shaft is better. The shaft is a tad smaller on my ONNO which works great. I can stow the Werner by pressing the button down while pushing it into the tube but that’s not practical from the cockpit.
I don’t typically paddle really rough water (so why carry a spare?). I find it works ok to stow a full size GP or even the Euro by putting the far end under the deck line near the bow and the near end under a bungie or two with the shaft nestled between the pipes.
The
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tubing around the bungie adds grip, and holds it off the deck for ease of stowing a paddle half...never had a paddle stipped from it yet
I bought the boat with this modification on it and have since done it to all my boats.
I bought the boat from Brian Day after he came back from doing a trip with Stan Chladek in the Berring Sea. You will see the pictures from that trip all over (Lendal Catalogue etc)or read the articles that Stan has written about the trip.
Cold days and big wind...
He had put the tubing on the bungie and I replaced most of the bungies in the last several years, but I like the simplicity and the usability of his method. I've paddled in breaking waves up to 7 or 8 feet with this set-up and have yet to lose any paddles.(I paddle Lake Superior)
I've launched into 6 foot breaking waves and dove thru them and still never had any issues with the system. That is why I posted it.
It's simple and the paddle is re-stowable. The one advantage I see to using the plumbing method is that besides probably being a little faster to re-stow, you wouldn't have to reach as far. This is on a Nordkapp Jubilee so shorter boats might not have this differance. It only costs a few pennys to try either method, pick what you like.
You can always cut it off and do it differant if it doesn't work for you.
Just a sugestion of something I believe to work.
I talked to Leon Somme' last year and he still liked his bathroom fixtures....each to his (or her) own
Best Wishes
Roy
‘bathroom fixtures’?
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Ouch...OK...I guess that was coming. :) I'm glad to hear that your system seems to work. I haven't used it and like I said, just looking at the pics, it doesn't seem like it would hold even as securely as a surf wrap, but your experience seems to indicate otherwise. That's good to know. Yep, Leon and Shawna both have the 'bathroom fixtures' on their boats from what I saw last year.
Great pics and article from that Chladek trip. I always enjoy his writeups. Looks like we've got the same boat, but mines the h2o...
48 inch bent shaft single blade
Give you a change of pace for resting tired muscles while still making the miles pass.
for otterslide & flatpick
in those conditions
but they’re a couple of wimps