too many humans now...And we have taken over too much of the bears land and therefore food...It'll never happen. Plus, I heard, forget where, some tv show prbly, that bears, well grizzlies, are starting to come running when they hear gunshots...They've gotten smart and realize that a gunshot means a dead deer...That's why they're on hunters as fast as they are, they come running to that sound...So not sure that would work very well, not nowadays. And if it did scare away the first one...It'd just bring in another! Not to mention, one or even two shots do not take down a grizzly, even if he did die from his wounds, he could still kill me before he does! I heard it's the powerful bear spray that stops them in their tracks and if they don't leave after that and still try to attack you through it, then shoot him cuz that's a damn mean bear! But bear spray sounds like win/win all around...It stops him and even faster and lets you and the bear get away without any damage to either you or the bear. And peeing around your camp is good advice, I heard that too!
bad advice Carrying a shotgun is a good idea in brown bear country – though bear spray probably is smarter and a better defensive measure given the level of fear that commonly results from a charging bear. However, putting 00 shot in for the kill is stupid. Slugs kill brown bears, not 00 shot. We carry the Mossberg marine version shotgun with a pistol grip when paddling near Admiralty Island and other areas with a high concentration of brown bears, and we also each have our own bear spray.
Also, given that this person is planning on paddling the Yukon, bringing a shotgun into Canada is s chore.
anyone Anyone who doesn’t think OOBuck will take down the largest bear made, needs to take some OOBuckshot out and play with it. Bring some wood, a cinder block, other hard items to a safe range and test fire. Ma nature doesn’t make a bear tougher than OOBuck at close range. Dead bear.
...... for buckshot (any shot for that matter) , but you can determine some things from what info. is available .
For instance , 000 buck shot in a mag. case could be 8 pellets weighing 67 gr. each , with a muzzel velocity of 1225 ft/sec. (I chose a very heavy 000 buck) ,
that would come out to about 200 ft.lbs. of energy (plus or minus 50 ft.lbs.) for each shot pellet ...
True you are delivering 8 pellets at the same time , but not with any great force . The ballistics for each pellet fall somewhere inbetween a .22 cal. (rim fire) and .380 cal. (ACP) ... sorta like 8 people shotting a Bear at the same time with rounds in that range .
Absolutely no comparison to one single shock from a 2000 - 3000 ft.lb. energy round .
00 and 000 buckshot are deer size shot in close range at best . Just not very much ft.lbs. of energy delivered per pellet .
fill in the blanks ... 8 pellet 000 buck (mag. brass) averages .23 cal./pellet , muzzel velocity 1225 ft./sec. , pellet grain weight .67 gr. ,
In comparison consider the slug or sabot round as Umnack and others have mentioned when they are speaking of shotguns as a dfensive weapon against large dangerous animals (Bears) .
fill in the blanks ... a single 546.87 gr. slug (1.250 oz.) , muzzel velocity 1600 ft./sec. , (don't recall the cal. but not needed to use ballistic energy calculator) ...
You can see that a 12 ga. mag. load sabot delivers 3000+ ft.lbs. at the muzzel (comparable to the .30-06 rifle round) ... and would still carry about 2500 ft.lbs. at 25 yds.
Even if you were to add all 8 pellets in combined energy ... at 223 ft.lbs. each , that's still only 1784 ft.lbs. total ... but it doesn't work that way with 000 buck , only the single mass projectile will give you the shock power it delivers individually .
Uhhh First of all, a shotgun is great weapon for bear defense, but, my first round in that chamber IS NOT going to be bird shot for heaven sake. And I certainly wouldn’t be following it up with buck shot.
. you’re missing the point entirely regarding a first round of bird shot as a teacher round, followed my buckshot. So many are quick to argue buckshot, but have never harvested a bear I’m betting. I’ll repeat it here again so the less than speedy can grab a hold. God doesn’t make a bear that cant be killed with buckshot.
I Have harvested Bear…and dispached them because the had been injured
Buckshot is beyond any doubt Very Very INSUFFICIENT
Repeat BAD CHOICE…rethink this before attempting .
Bird shot is used in a safe invironment (as in at your home/yard as a deterent only…where You can access a safe place in case it doesn’t work…not as a self defence / teaching aid in the woods…bad idea.
Confusing ideas of traveling into the bears home area…with teaching a bear to stay out of your yard.
this kind of confusion could lead to a bad ending.
Buckshot has very little penetration (personal experance with lesser annimals) If You mean to kill a Bear use a sufficent round or forget it.
After they are wounded, they become dangerous far beyond imagination…and MUST be put down.
BAD IDEA…BAD IDEA…BAD IDEA.
SLUGS from a 12 Gauge or 444 marlin or other like powered round is the very least to make sure the outcome MIGHT be what you sought…
forgot to address the Ursack…I also have one of those besides the Garcia’s.
my take is they are not a replacement for the canisters because after / if a bear gets ahold if it with your food supply inside…what will your food that survives actually look like and if thats what You want to eat for the rest of the trip…your a better man than I :>)
