Choosing a canoe (or maybe a kayak?)

@thecomplex1@outlook.com said:
Am looking for kayak or canoe for fishing and hunting. Maybe square stern. Want boat 11’ or less and 50 lb or less. Any thoughts.

The format of the message boards here is such that it makes more sense to start a new discussion here in the fishing forum with your question, instead of piggybacking on this one. In any case, few if any folks here will have any experience with the kind of boat you are looking for, since most of them will prefer a boat that’s made to be efficiently paddled. Still, I just did some looking, and was amazed at how many brands of square-stern canoes there are. Among choices close to your specs, two caught my eye.

First, there’s Golden Hawk Canoes. http://www.goldenhawkcanoes.com/home.html I was perusing a message board recently that’s dedicated to hard-core fishermen, and saw that plenty of people just love these boats. I was surprised that they are reasonably good-quality, at least in terms of the method of hull construction. Personally, in spite of the fact that I regularly do fairly long-distance trips in a solo boat, upstream and downstream, on tiny brush-obstructed creeks, and would benefit from a very short boat as much as anyone, I would never consider a canoe shorter than 14 feet, and I suspect that most people who like such short boats don’t paddle in a way that gets the most out of their canoe, but that’s not to say I can’t see a plus side to such craft (see below).

Another one that caught my eye was this square-stern model from Esquif. http://www.esquif.com/en/sporting/mallard/ The description says it’s made of Royalite (a light version of Royalex), and that’s a material that’s not available anymore, but there’s also a tag page describing the hull material they call T-Formex, which is a Royalex replacement, so that’s probably what it’s made from. For motorized canoeing when the need is for a craft that is very small, this would be hard to beat (but you can find many different brands that are quite similar. I was surprised how many).

Fishing kayaks of the sit-on-top style are all the rage right now, but as a person who grew up using several kinds of very small, traditional boats, I can’t help but notice that fishing kayaks are actually a terrible choice for most of the people who are using them, if you consider the manner in which they use them (however, for some people, like those fishing off the ocean shore, they are perfect). Most fishing kayaks will weigh roughly twice as much as your target weight (especially when you consider that they usually list the weight without any of the “extras”, and that can even include the seat!). The two canoes linked above are far lighter than any fishing kayak (but any good ones that are similar will be within your target weight range), allow carrying a lot more gear (even the deer you just shot, along with your portable tree stand, and that’s especially true for that Equif model or similar styles that are more like a traditional boat than a bloated pea-pod), and allow far more variability in your seating and your ability to move around inside the boat as you reach for stuff. If you aren’t paddling on wide-open waters and being blasted by the wind, such boats will greatly outperform fishing kayaks in most of the ways that matter. Do a Google search with relevant keywords like “square stern, canoe, 11, 12, feet” and you’ll see how many choices there are.

Hope that helps.

@nickmanderson said:
One last thing…I have a small electric trolling motor. Do you think I could easily attach something like that to the Wenonah Fisherman and use solo?

A couple of points here: The Fisherman is a wide and stable boat that will carry much more than its 14’ length would suggest.

If you are soloing the thing backward from the front seat already, and want to add a trolling motor, then set it behind the seat you are sitting in and the trim will be less of a problem.

This boat will be stable, but slow.

Peter

Most of our canoe paddling members at the club paddle from the stern seat and carry a water jug filled with river water when paddling solo. They place it in the bow. It keeps the boat trim reasonable. I’m thinking they use 5 - 6 gallon jugs. Most cinder blocks are made of concrete these days, cause damage and weigh about 50 pounds for an 8" stretcher block…all the time. A six gallon jug weighs 48 pounds only when full.

You make a valid point, with one listed advantage of using water that wasn’t already mentioned by others (you don’t have to take all that weight with you to and from the river), but I have a minor quibble here, in the interest of accuracy. To say that most cinder blocks these days are made of concrete is every bit as wrong as saying that most aluminum round stock these days is made of steel simply because your local hardware store doesn’t have the aluminum stuff in stock. You can’t mix and match terminology that way and still make sense.

You know, I was agreeing with you.

As to construction terminology I’m a little sensitive to that, but then again I forget regional idosyncrasies. I always refused to build anything up north of Atlanta.

Yeah, I’m not trying to be all that hard-nosed about it. But then, everything up north of Atlanta leaves a lot of country! That’s okay. If one really wants to delve into specifics, “concrete” includes both standard and lightweight varieties, but since “cinder block” gets it’s name from lightweight aggregate that was once commonly derived from coal cinders, it can only refer to the lightweight variety (even if the aggregate is some other light material besides cinders), not the standard-weight stuff. I’m unswayed by regional vernacular. ASTM manuals and construction spec books use the proper names for these materials no matter what part of the country you are from (though “cinder block” is actually too generic to show up in either place!)…

Your price-range will, most likely, knock my pick out, but keep it in mind…true tandems are often pretty efficient for more than one person…and your original hope of a pack boat that’ll keep four safe…seems like somewhat of a dangerous pipe-dream…however some version of 16 footer may fit the bill.
A 17’ [composite] tandem will be the best minimum for the four of you…if you want to enjoy any kind of trip with one or more. Something with a little rocker at both ends will handle far better than a tandem without, although there are quite a few without much that paddle just fine, but with a little rocker is much easier to turn in the wind when soloing. A composite with rockered bow/stern will be do-able solo, albeit will require some energy…but will be a much safer proposition than something smaller for the four of you…and will give a fun paddle for whoever wants to paddle, as boys often want… You bring a towel with you when soloing to put whatever you want for trim on…although you also do want to adjust your position when paddling when you solo…
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