Thanks
Thanks, willowleaf, for all the great info. I figured it must be a traditional thing, since the Iniut didn’t have bungee cord way back when. With this system, some walrus hide and driftwood makes a really secure system. I like the look, so I may run a couple of bungee cords in parallel with the existing ones, but not through the toggles. That way, I could secure something bulkier if needed.
By the way, I really like the feel of the kayak. It’s only been out for a test run on a smooth lake, maximum winds probably 10-12 mph, but it seems to have a nice mix of straight line tracking and maneuverability. And as much as I could judge in the light breeze, it didn’t seem to want to weathercock. I am seated all the way back in the cockpit, using the coming as a back band, so that might help trim the boat. It’s pretty neat that a 150+ year old design is so effective.
Greenland kayaks
Glad to hear you are digging the new boat -- it really is a great design. I love the effortless speed of mine too and the way it responds to bracing and edging. I'd be interested to hear how you like it in rougher water.
What kind of paddle are you using with it? I admit I first got a cedar GP to use with it for the aesthetics but am now completely hooked on it and use GPs with all my kayaks.
I have a Snapdragon backband, which has proved to be very comfortable.
My own kayak has very similar lines -- it's the jade green boat with the little "tail" in these photos on the website of the guy who built it 6 years ago (some photos were before he added the rigging):
http://monkcraft.org/gallery.htm
(you can see why I named it "Willow Leaf", from which I took my forum nickname)
There's a lot of neat background history and links to information about design and use of Greenland style boats on this blog site that you might enjoy, too. He mentions the historical model that the builder of the one I have copied, the 1935 Sisimuit replica. One of my favorite kayaking blogs:
http://www.capefalconkayak.com
old and new…
“I figured it must be a traditional thing, since the Iniut didn’t have bungee cord way back when.”
Interestingly enough, modern Greenlanders do have bungee cord, but don’t use it for deck rigging. They continue to use the traditional decklines (sealskin straps and bone sliders). While following tradition plays a part, the stiff straps hold narrow profile items much more securely than bungee (gear under bungee cords is often stripped off the deck if you get hit by a breaking wave).
Also, Greenlanders get into their kayak by stepping into the center of their kayak and reaching down to grab the stiff decklines – to allow them to slowly lower themselves into the cockpit, in control. There are few beaches and this is often done stepping down from high rocks. Bungee would be too stretchy to allow this technique.
That said, I agree with Willowleaf’s advice that it is your kayak and you should trick it out as you see fit!
Greg Stamer
Willowleaf
That is a nice looking boat. My glass one is light blue deck on white hull, so definitely not traditional looking in that respect. I bought it because it looked like it would be nimble and fast and the price was right. I have an old family house near the Maine coast which is where this boat will reside. A key thing for me was that the larger keyhole cockpit that WS put on these gives me just enough room to flex my knees occasionally.
I'll have to get the boat to Maine before it gets any rough water testing, and frankly my current skill level means I have no business out in anything beyond moderate conditions. I am curious to see if it weathercocks much when a 20 knot sea breeze kicks up.
For a paddle, I'll probably use a Bending Branches Breeze-Evening. It's the best paddle I keep in Maine. I may try a greenland at some point, but I'm a little restricted because I'll realistically only get about 10 days a year in this boat so I have to balance playing with new things against just getting out and having fun.
Is this a new boat or used?
I haven’t seen these before.Very nice.
Used
If you mean my Wilderness Systems boat, it’s a used one, built 2001. But I expect you mean that nice one of willowleaf’s.
both older
I don’t think WS makes the Arctic Hawk any more. I could be wrong but I have not seen one in their ads for a while.
The guy who built my green boat built them custom and is no longer in the business. But Brian Schulz of Cape Falcon still builds them or you can pay him to teach you to build one yourself at his shop in Oregon.
Not original to the boat
That rigging was added by the previous owner to get a more traditional look. My A/H was built in 03 and came with bungee as did every model that was made. Unfortunately W/S stopped building the boat in 04 or 05. They were a little ahead of the times as this boat was built before Greenland boats became very popular. The boat was actually designed by Mark Rogers of Superior Kayaks. I absolutely love mine and wouldn’t trade it for any other boat.
You will find the boat does weathercock some but it isn’t that bad. Mine has been in Lake Superior several times in heavy wind w/o much problem. I started with the same Bending Branches paddle you have but I’ve switched to a GP and Storm. I have removed the original seat and just use a pad and back band combo as I find the boat more comfortable that way and much easier to roll.
I’m thinking of going the other way
I have bungees. Wave wash thing out of them. They are useless on the front deck. I was thinking of putting line a sliders there.
Sparrow Hawk too
At 5’ 10" and 180# I found the AH a little too corky as a day boat, but the Sparrow Hawk was just right for day and weekend touring. While not made for years now, both are wonderful boats. Light not many FG boats out there under 50#, well made, tougher than you might think, and they perform well as in they track pretty well and yet turn quickly on edge. I have found both to be good in rough water. They have a feel not too far from a SOF Greenland boat. More so than an AA seems to me. The AH is one fast boat and the SH no slouch either. A good used one can be a real bargain.
The traditional slider rigging won’t work for hard, bulky items, but works extremely well for what it was designed to do.
Greenland toggles
The old-timers had it right. The non-strechy lines and toggles are far better than bungies.
On boarding from a rock, dock, etc, insert the GL paddle under the toggles and slide the toggles towards the gunwales. This locks the paddle tightly to the deck and the paddle acts like an outrigger to slow down a roll (not prevent the roll, just slow it down.) Try this with bungie, and it’s like using rubber bands. I use the rear toggles when boarding, and the front ones when exiting (they’re easier to use when I’m in the cockpit).
If using a paddle float, the toggle system is much more stable. Bungie cord allows the kayak to wallow when you try to re-enter.
In my opinion, bungie is useful only for keeping a jacket or water bottle.
I’ve done it on all of my boats
Bungee cord is pretty useless for actually SECURING anything and anything held purely by bungee is pretty much guaranteed to get washed away with the first wave across the deck. In contrast, cord and sliders provide very secure storage and I can’t recall ever losing anything stored under them. That said, I’m also a member of the minimalist club when it comes to gear on the deck; I keep as little as possible there.
I like bunge cord
The Arctic Hawk is just trying to style their boat like an early skin boat with a traditional cord tightening system.
ALL commercial boats come with bungee and it works fine with no complaints. Early British boats used weak, thin crappy bunge but now the 1/4" stuff is very strong and works perfectly.
I agree with Greg - outfit it how you like.
Liking the Arctic Hawk
I’m really liking the fiberglass Arctic Hawk so far. It tracks straight, but doesn’t feel like an ocean liner when you go to turn it. I like the lower initial stability of the vee hull. It makes the boat feel lively, even when paddling in calm water. I got out yesterday for a test in some winds gusting to about 20 and flat water, and it didn’t seem to weathercock more than most other boats I’ve been in.
This boat also has just a minicell butt-pad for a seat, and I’m basically using the cockpit combing as a back band (with a little padding). I did decide to switch over to bungee cord deck rigging. The toggle system on mine only provided an inch of so of clearance for gear, which pretty much limited it to holding a spare paddle. Bungee will be better suited to my needs, and a blue on white fiberglass boat has really lost the “traditional look” right from the factory anyway.
bungee taking an unfair hit
Agreed, bungee ON ITS OWN, is useless for securing anything (kind of like cord without sliders).
For some unknown reason, the 'olive clip (cleat)' has never caught on in the US.
I found them all over the place in Australia (Whitworths, nearly any Chandlery), the UK has them as well (Coates Marine).
I use them to cinch everything on (or off) the yak.
Never had my paddles (spare set) budge when going through heavy surf.
Many uses.
http://www.coatesmarine.demon.co.uk/r58-99.htm
https://www.whitworths.com.au/main_itemdetail.asp?item=77420&search123=shock&intAbsolutePage=1
a better picture of one:
http://jervisbaykayaks.businesscatalyst.com/parts-and-spares/kayak-fishing-parts/shock-cord-olive-cleat-5mm-black
Andy
Why bother with olive or clam cleats…
…and bungee when cords and sliders work just fine and are at least as secure? For the types of things I store on my deck, there’s no advantage to bungee and cleats.
Arctic Hawk
I think this was the original design:
http://www.superiorkayaks.com/superiorkayakscanoes2012_008.htm
What are you carrying on deck…
…that’s more than 1" thick? Anything thicker than that is probably best stowed elsewhere.
What I Carry on Deck
I wear an inflatable PFD for mild conditions, but I like to have a conventional one on deck within reach just in case it gets a little rougher (let’s not argue PFD use here - there’s a thread about that). I also like my hand bilge pump on deck where I can reach it, and that needs a couple of inches of height. And, also for mild conditions, I roll up my spray skirt and use at a sort of small dodger on deck to deflect the odd wave or boat wake that clears the bow. Oh, and my cooler, Ipad, barbeque… just kidding.
It’s personal preference, but…
...I would never carry anything that bulky on deck. I'm a firm believer that a cleaner deck is better.
My PFD is on my body, ALWAYS. My spray skirt is around my waist, where it belongs. The bilge pump is stored either under the the peak of the deck or beside the right-side cheek plate, depending on the boat I'm in.
In my experience, carrying a lot of junk on the deck is a liability, as it interferes with paddling and it results in a "yard sale" when you get whacked in surf and it gets washed off your deck, (which it will, especially if it's held with bungee cord). It can also create snags when you're reentering the boat. Overall, it's more hassle than it's worth.
Try paddling with a clean deck (I carry only a chart, spare paddle and 3' contact tow on the foredeck, nothing on the aft deck) and you'll probably never go back.