inflatables

Sea Eagle on Rivers

– Last Updated: Apr-24-13 9:02 AM EST –

I often paddle white water (in a hard shell) bit often meet a certain paddler in an inflatable, which I'm pretty sure is the sea eagle 380. The boat looks very sturdy and he has no issues paddling it on the river, attaining, surfing long waves, portaging by dragging short distances over rocks...

He has thigh straps for added boat control.

The boat is not a pool toy like the 330, which is ridiculously tall above the water. The 385 is probably less affected by winds than the average lightweight canoe would be.

All that said, for a solo paddle on the Bay, it will be a handful but only when wind picks-up and if one is off-shore. However, there are many days (most days) and in most places (save for bay crossings) where one can paddle just about anything and be safe. If one stays close to shore, the tidal currents are not an issue (but they are off-shore, can be faster than a competitive swimmer, easily).

The 380 or 385 would not be my choice, but I think will work for the area where the poster intends to paddle, as long as they mind the weather forecast and keep an eye on conditions, and stay close to shore...

It does look like a commercial …
And the lady paddling obviously is not a very good paddler, judging for how bad her paddling form is, so how am I to trust her impressions…



One thing that I don’t get is “pump the floor as much as you can” and no one, even the manufacturer, mentions the pressure for the drop stitch floor. For Aire I think “high pressure” means something like a measly 6psi (which is a lot by pool toy standards, but totally pitiful by SUP standards that go to 15psi). What does the FastTrack drop stitch floor take? 4-8psi? 10-12? For those that have the 385 - does it mention in the user manual?

inflatables
"A Sea Eagle has a 180 day gurantee." Aire boats haven’t been around long enough for any of them to wear out, only 20 years or so. They have replaceable bladders under the hypalon incase you have a leak.



An overnight trip 40 miles from a road is the last place you want to hear the sound of air escaping from an inflatable boat. Rivers are full of hazards, like rebar, jagged shale and basalt and broken branches that all love to eat boats.

Inflatables
I want to thank everyone for their input and advice. After much deliberation, I thought you might want to know my decision. I have decided to purchase a trailer, and am looking at either the “Wilderness Systems” “Tarpon 160” (for it’s stability) or the “Tsunami 165” (for it’s performance and to learn on). Any thoughts?

It should be noted
I am 5’11" tall, and weigh 240lbs. A rather large paddler.

SOT vs SINK
Tarpon is a sit on top, where the Tsunami is a sit inside. How do you see yourself using the kayak?

paddling
I plan on touring the Chesapeake Bay and it’s tributaries with some overnighters. The reason I am considering a SOT is because of my size. I am 52 years old, 5’1l" tall and weight 240 pounds and would like to take up serious kayaking. I see myself doing some offshore paddling in rough surf in the Atlantic once my skills improve. Probably some kayak camping down the Susquehanna River. I would like to join a club, and have been perusing the Chesapeake Paddlers Club web site. I do not know if any cold weather paddling is in my future, but if I enjoy the sport as much as I think I will then yes, I would probably enjoy paddling all year.

Checkout Annapolis Canoe and Kayak
Dave & Dave from ACK are knowledgeable kayakers and CPA members. And definitely hookup with CPA and go out with one of their piracies near you for weekly outings. You missed Kayaking 101 and 102 this year, but these virtually free classess are great to get you started. Sign-up next year. There are a couple of events coming up at Truxton Park where you can just showup (member or not) and meet folks and paddle a variety of kayaks, canoes, and a SUP or two probably. Folks will be happy to talk with you and you might find a used boat too…



That said, before you venture out away from shore, take a class or have someone experienced show you and spot you while you perform some self rescues. You will eventually flip the boat and you don’t want to find out if you can get back in or not for a first time when your life may depend on it.



The 165 is a great boat for your purposes, a Zephyr 160 will be more maneuverable but slower, Current Design makes some nice big person boats (and you can demo at ACK). SOT is good too but it is a wet ride and somewhat more limiting in skills development (but fine for paddling). Get something used to get started and buy also a nice paddle (there were some recent threads about those here).

Think Cold Water…
…not cold weather. The Chesapeake Bay waters may not be as cold all year round as the North Atlantic where I live is, but there will be times when it is dangerously cold even when the air temps are in the 70’s. nMe, I’d want a SINK under me. A SINK might also be better for camping - more storage.

JOINING A CLUB…
…would be one of the best things you could do. One big advantage of joining a club is not only getting the same information you’ll get here, but getting it face-to-face, interactively, from engaged paddlers, who are usually more than happy to share experience and help out.



You might even consider joining pre-purchase -in all probability you’ll not only receive well-informed local knowledge of both boats and locales, but perhaps invitations to try some boats.



Your move from a duckie to a hardshell is a good first step, considering where you want to paddle, what you want to do when paddling, and your size.



The T (as in Tarpon)-160 is a venerable, long-time model that routinely garners a lot of pretty good reviews from the paddling community, especially for an SOT. It is a fast boat in the right hands, and it certainly is a stable boat, and can carry a lot of paddler and a lot of gear but 160s are heavy -and getting to and from your put-in from your car is a pretty important consideration for a lot of people. A trailer is a good first step -little lifting compared to a rooftop car rack -but it costs more, in terms of initial outlay for both trailer AND hitch (if you don’t have one and your car is OK towing -many aren’t so recommended, but kayak rigs are light, so they’re probably OK even when not “recommended” (see threads here on PNET re. towing, etc., for firther discussions) -check first for potential warranty voiding if towing), licensing, possibly insurance, and you need to feel comfortable driving with a trailer, especially in reverse. Getting back on an SOT after a dump -it’s a case of when, not if, trust us on that one! -is usually easier for most folks, and that should be a consideration when contemplating paddling in coastal, tidal, and wave/wind-prone areas like the Chesapeake regardless of type of kayak.



The T(as in Tempest)-165, on the other hand, is a SINK (Sit-INside Kayak) that, no offense, but at your size I’d recommend that you at least try sitting in, and getting in and out of -even on dry ground -before further consideration. SINKs have many more positive paddling features and benefits, among which are -usually - efficiency of paddling (either getting more speed for the same amount of effort, or getting more distance for the same speed), and perhaps most importantly, seaworthiness. And SINKs are, broadly generally, lighter and therefore a bit easier to rack, than similarly sized SOTs



On the other hand, SINKs in general are far more tippy or twitchy to newbies -and that level of comparative “instability” may put you off from one going thru with a purchase. Again, experience here overwhelming suggests you’ll get used to that after initially needing to learn how to deal with it. I started out in a 34" wide tandem, and now my wife and I routinely paddle -and enjoy -21" boats. SINKs may be more difficult to enter and exit, and need good posture when paddling to develop comfortable, more efficient paddling strokes -which, while also the case for SOTs, aren’t “needed” in the latter nearly as much as in SINKs.



And a closing note -as noted in a prior post about Sea Eagle paddles -you’ll not br buying just a boat -you’ll be buying at least a minimum “paddling package”:

. 1) The boat;

. 2) A good (it doesn’t have to be great the first time out) paddle;

. 3) A good (comfortable for paddling and wearing -so you WILL wear it) PFD;

. 4) Boat transportation (roof rack or trailer, the better, the better…!)

. 5) Suitable attire (a 2nd discussion re: cool/cold weather paddling)



Don’t fear buying used -of our 9 boats, 7 were bought used, as were 4 paddles, 2 roof racks, and 2 PFDs. They all work/worked well, and we saved a bundle!



Good luck in your search, and may you find a good starter boat and get out on the water this year, with a big smile on your face, as you



PADDLE ON!



-Frank in Miami

the second T
The second T he talked about was a Tsunami, not a Tempest…

ACK
Thank you all, I am heading to Annapolis Canoe and Kayak and talk to the paddlers there and try to get a good feel as to what I am looking for. Also may join Chespeake Paddlers Association.