Yeah, I know, but you do not want him saying, “How would @castoff do this?” That takes te fun out of it.
You weren’t charging him money where you?
I consider it friendship even if I don’t know the person I might be helping. But I have to say he took advantage of me and it’s not the first time either! I not only lent him a pair of canoe float bags with a DC electric inflator but gave him a pair of NRS neoprene shoes that were nearly new but a bit too tight for me. I had them several years but didn’t wear them. He used my boat and gear to do the rescues and what did I get? A thank you and that was enough.
He even laughed at me for leaving that #$%& zipper open!
Well if that is the case , how did he “Take advantage of me” (and not the first time either) ?
Okay, now for the BIG question, who can out sail who?
The first thing might have something to do with selling a leaky boat. Which also involves a large dose of ribbing from me. The second thing Is I just don’t know as we sail very different boats.
Okay, it was not deliberate, you gave him a freebie with loaned equipment, so things can’t be too bad.
You dodged the second question…
“Kayak Lessons With a Friend…who sold me a leaky boat“
Classified!
That might be a good idea, because if it ever got out they would be throwing hands.
This is my position. There is a “Yacht Club” here in the area called the Southern Yacht Club (SYC)
. They have their pennant, an SYC pennant , flying above the American Flag on the same pole. I called them and was told there is some kind of nautical tradition. If that smart ass would have been standing in front of me at that moment, I would have kicked his ass. Big bunch of Snobs. I have despised “Yacht Clubs” ever since. Might not be right, but that is the way Ifeel.
Edit: I am going to start my own Yacht Cub, The Cajun Navy Yacht Club.
I joined a sailing club not a yacht club. We promote sailing don’t have a bar and restaurant and have 2 active racing fleets and teach sailing. Dues are less than hunting lease dues. You make lots of assumptions. Tomorrow, we have a workday. I will be working on dock repairs. What will you be doing?
I was talking about Yacht Clubs and my very strong objection as to what I ran into , not activity based Sailing Clubs which your previous descriptions made very obvious is what you belong to. At the very least it was contrasting the difference between the two and their intended purposes. There was no reference to you and there was none intended. There was never a reference or implication that you belonged to a Yacht Club. We were talking about Yacht Clubs, an entirely different and separate subject unrelated to you. Mainly was looking for clarification on this claim of nautical tradition. It appears you are the one who made an assumption.
Then how was your comment pretendant to this topic?
We were talking in intimate, personal detail about how members of a “Sailing Club” operate, doing things for each other for no other motive then to be doing it and their interactions within the club as a base in stark contrast to how a “Yacht Club” operates and what are the motives for what they do as in the practice of flying a Yacht Club Pennant above the American Flag. It was a compliment to you, Duh. In other words if you still don’t catch on, no member of the Southern Yacht Club would be in a dry suit demonstrating paddling technique, bracing and self rescues to another member with Kayaks in rather cold water in the Yacht Clubs inlet. But if you want to take the most negative connotation possible, even if you have to make it up, that is up to you.
Edit: You were the one making assumptions.
Spring is the drowning season.
Warm air and cold water.
Dress for immersion.
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This was prevalent attitude of many of the original and ole time PNetters. Lots of effort invested but increasingly with minimal appreciation. Have seen and talked to a number of ole timers who have decided to invest less time/energy. Let the newer folks step up if they want. Some of the regional paddling clubs maintain their own discussion boards. But, even on these sites, I’ve noticed a shift to less on-line discussions and more to actual get-together paddling and training events. You end up with more self-selection of paddlers who care more about what those clubs emphasize and focus on. I think the friendships and comaderie are more real and rewarding for those who like to paddle with company.
-sing
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Back on topic again. Sing I agree that building friendships within a local group is rewarding for most of us. The sail club is an example I just got home from working on replacing 6 dock boards and all 150’ of old rub rail with new. Lots of people showed up for whatever needed to be done like cleaning the building, graveling the road, cooking a barbeque lunch, etc. A lot of diversity in the group both young and old but we all get along because the focus is on the sailing and club activities. Working together builds bonds.
Ppine, I think back about how clueless I was about cold water growing up in south FL. Even though I did my first canoeing in Scouts. I thought I knew how. I could make the canoe go where I wanted. It wasn’t until after college that I came across a book on paddle strokes. What an eye opener!
I’m not an instructor, but I do know stuff that is important when you get started. It’s good to have someone to be there when you do your first wet exit from a kayak. Tips like checking to keep the pull loop out from under the skirt. Letting them hold your hands and lean parallel out over the water with the kayak on its side and doing a hip snap to right the boat just so they have a feel to add to the concept. Or following the blade with their eyes to develop the feel for using their core. Then checking periodically to see if they are. Also, doing a self-rescue the first time out, knowing how to get back in their kayak and having done so builds confidence. This gets them started before bad habits have been ingrained. They might find that wearing a PFD makes emptying the kayak easier when you are in over your head. Important basics. Most important is it adds to the fun and enjoyment.
Wednesday was a fun day, and we are looking forward to doing it again.
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I wasn’t going to respond to this reply but realized you may be unaware of how a rant about a yacht club didn’t belong on a post about helping a friend get a start in kayaking. Lots of folks don’t know the difference between a sailing club and a yacht club. Thus, my response. Glad you do. But you trash yacht clubs and decide no one in a yacht club would do what I did. That’s a real stretch of the imagination to be kind. Would that be an assumption? It just wasn’t relevant to this topic. Your question about me doing a friend a favor and possibly charging him was also uncalled for but I let it slide and made light of it with my replies. Your questions about wet suits and dry suits did however fit in with the topic. Which I was happy to discuss. Any such questions or observations on kayaking I would be willing to discuss I hope this clarifies.
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Like yourself, I had no intention to respond to this anymore and to Paddle.com in general, too many serious things going on in this world. But, I also do not like to leave anything hanging subject to interpretation. I do not understand why you have not grasped this and continue with this narrow view. This was not just a discussion about giving a friend a kayak lesson introducing him to the sport, it was about giving a fellow Sailing Club Member a Kayak Lesson, at the vicinity of the Sailing Club and an example how Sailing Club Members interact and do things for and with each other and the club. So the element of the Sailing Club was strongly introduced. In CONTRAST to that I relayed my very objectionable experience with a “ Yacht Club” illustrating the differences between a true “ Sailing Club” and the “Yacht Club” I had experience with. It was a backhanded compliment in contrast. Another main reason I brought it up was to clarify the Southern Yacht Club’s claim of “Nautical Tradition” of flying a Yacht Club Pennant directly above the American Flag. That is unforgivable to me. I thought you would have knowledge of this, it is important to me. I was talking in terms of the Southern Yacht Club specifically, not Yacht Clubs in general, but I would like to due to the seriousness of my objection. There may have been some reference to that but I stated, it might not be right, but that is the way I feel. No one at the Southern Yacht Club would don a Dry Suit and give a fellow member a kayak lesson in cold water in the club’s inlet, trust me. Me inquiring about whether you charged your friend was a joke, get serious.
Since you have no intent to respond here anymore Thank You. Hopefully you can get out of your apartment and get into a boat. I’d really like to see a photo of you employing the advice you incessantly offer about paddling .
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Anytime you think you are ready…