Salmon in July on inland rivers?
I think you need to do more research
http://www.fishoregon.com/salmon.asp
I agree
yeah I do need to do more research. Thats what this thread is about, Places to start researching. thanks for the link.
Really scratching my head here
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You indicate a background in swift water rescue and being responsible for young people. Imagine if a total stranger walked up to you and and said I want to take someone who has never done this before down a class 3 stretch in the middle of nowhere that you already know requires some skill and caution. That is all the sure information you have.
I know people who have your background, in fact one of them is a Swiftwater Rescue trainer and started that training I think before he got solid in a kayak. He has had a Red Cross and/or Wilderness First Responder since he was an adult. I personally, though it is out of date and needs to be renewed, have carried a Red Cross cert and had a Junior Red Cross and Junior Lifesaver cert when I was young. I have a fair amount of training in both sea kayaking and some in WW, have run a class 3 stretch, but I am a piker compared to many here.
Among this group, I don't know anyone who would not express caution to the person above and require they know a bit more about them before pointing them down the nearest remote class 3 water.
But you expected to post that kind of request, providing the same non-information as the person in my example, and not get back a level of concern. I just don't see that as realistic.
Then again, I would not likely choose a screen name like yours either...
From what you are saying, it sounds
like the Rogue is about the only option for you. The issue with the coastal rivers here in Oregon is that the calmer water is relatively a short distance from the ocean and quite a bit of the shore is private property. I can’t think of hardly any that would allow bush camping. Campgrounds are the reality. You might want to take a look at the Siletz or the Alsea, perhaps the Nehalem. Shuttles might be problematic but you have a bit of planning to do in order to get something going. Good luck!
Don’t know about the Elk River
personally, may not be big or long enough for what you want to do, but according to a documentary I saw today, its salmon fishery may be the healthiest on the OR coast. Here’s a link to get you started.
http://www.enjoyportorford.com/elkandsixes.html
Celia,
I really dont understand why some of you seem to want written documentation about my background, thump prints and references to call before you give me any advice on rivers in Oregon. This is just beyond me. this is just an internet forum. I did come here because I didnt want to end up in a situation that was to much for us. but i really am just astounded that you and some others others seem to want to completely put Oregon off the map for us. I really dont care what class the river is. I am not necessarily looking for real white water. I dont really care about that. I would be just as happy with a smooth as glass water way. I just want a river/creek to kayak down and camp along with a good chance of catching some fish. some of you can’t seem to get passed the class three comment, acting as though I am looking for trouble. I am not. would it make you happier if I said I only want class 1 or 2? again, it really doesn’t matter to me if there is no class 3 WW. The fishing and camping along a kayakable river is what matters.But this is why I dont like being a new poster on internet forums. There is always a few who assume your a liar who has no experience with anything, cant handle anything, and refuse to give you information on the subject you want because they don’t approve of your post count, or insufficiently give them enough details on your back ground. They wont help you because of your assumed lack of experience, even though all you are trying to do is gain more experience in the field and learn.
I got the same crap from people when I wanted to buy a 500 magnum revolver, start reloading ammo, buy an aquarium, find good places to scuba dive (even though I was already certified) build an addition to my house, and even go on a short over night back packing trip. I could go on, but it would be a waist. I always eventually get the information I need despite the neigh sayers. I ended up with a fine 500 mag revolver that I shoot extremely well, which i reload all my ammo for without any problems, I had a beautiful healthy 125 gallon aquarium which I had to sell unfortunately because of the lack of space in my home I moved into, I am a very accomplished scuba diver which incidentaly i have even kayaked to some the areas I have scuba dove, I have a nice addition that I built myself on the back of my home, and I have some great pictures from a backpacking trip in the AZ white mountains with my family.
perhaps it is my screen name that I have used since I was a teenager and decided to keep. Maybe its just to irresponsible of a screen name and it is throwing people off. I never thought the screen name really mattered all that much. maybe I am wrong, and should change it to “responsible experienced person”
You seem like a good person who is genuinely concerned about our well being. thank you for that. I am sorry about my rants but as you can see I have been fed up with the whole nanny going to keep you safe mentality that I have experienced dozens of times on internet forums. I always just let it roll off my back but seadart just really pissed me off with his “zonies stay home” comment. Sorry to let it backlash on the rest of you. I can only take so much.
Possibly a dumb question,
but if you are going to OR, wont you need a boat? If so, a outfitter?
I would think that a livery would be a real good place to call as they may be able to get you a location, transportation, and equipment. Even if you are hauling your boat, you will need someone to ferry you to your car.
Just thinking outside of the box here
Class 3
Yeah, no mention of class 3 would likely have produced a different response. Certainly from me, maybe others. Lumping class 3 with 1 and 2 when newbies are involved is often a red flag.
If you tend to have the same problem in other environments, it may that you are doing the same thing there. It is worth a thought anyway, if you regularly get responses that you dislike. It would probably be easier to write slower than to be annoyed by incoming.
John Day River
I’ve floated a good part of the John Day. It’s a “high desert” river, but that doesn’t mean cactus in central Oregon. The stretch from Service Creek to Clarno, 45 miles or so, is a great three day float, wild river, little or no signs of civilization, and although it’s not a deep forest river there are plenty of good sized evergreens here and there along the river, along with spectacular canyon rock formations. It’s class I and II, with nothing that would reach class III in normal July water levels. It needs about 150-200 cfs to be easily floatable but is usually about that by mid-summer. The fishing for smallmouth bass can be excellent. You need a permit to float it but I don’t think getting the permit is a problem, and there are rules on handling human waste and fires, but I believe you are free to camp anywhere along the river and there are lots of good gravel bars.
The stretch from Clarno to Cottonwood is an even more premier float camping experience, but it’s a 70 some odd mile float that takes at least 5 days and is much better taking 6 or 7. It does have a couple of rapids that could be class III at some water levels, but is again mostly class I and II.
From Cottonwood on down, there are some class IV rapids, so that stretch wouldn’t work for you.
Don’t go…
without hiring an outfitter, or at least consulting a few for their local perspective on your proposed trip. In addition to pro assessment of local river conditions for non-local visitors, they can probably give you useful info about the salmon fishing.
Your reaction to seadart’s post is understandable but strikes me as a very bad sign, sort of an unwillingness to hear anything but what you want to hear.
check
the web site americanwhitewater.org They have a section called “what’s running” and they give you real time water flow information on every whitewater river in the country. You cal do a search for Oregon and see what is there