John… are you going to give a real
response to my assertions of fact, or are you going to keep implying that I am an inadequate person because I had the guts to challenge you? My assertion remains unchallenged. Kayak paddles are more effective than canoe paddles for driving through the water.
You have kept shifting your own position, apparently in an attempt at damage control. By now, all you are saying is that you paddle long distances, and you prefer a canoe paddle. This might be true for Greg Barton, also. But it does not change the fact that the kayak paddle has been proven superior in every situation where the issue has been driving the boat forward.
Stop squirreling around and putting me down. Everyone on this board already knows all my faults and virtues. You are going to have to go back to your original post and own up to the FACT that you said I was a guy who did not know what he was talking about, because you could not “goggle” me on the internet.
Deal with the factual issues. Quit dodging.
You have been weighed in the balance, and found wanting.
virtues did I hear virtues?
Two, at least.
Keelhauled… Maybe I will see you on
the Nanty. After so much c-1 and oc-1 paddling, I’m sure I can, and you can, manage a ww kayak with a short single blade, especially an “old school” WW kayak that has more willingness to track. I still doubt that you would make a career of single-blading in ww kayaks, because soon you will find that getting back up to playspots is much easier with a double blade. It has taken me many years to develop enough single-blade power to drive upstream against the current. It’s much easier in my kayaks.
How long does this go for?
You say you backed everything up with facts? Let me recap your original post.
‘’’ I can easily use a single blade in a kayak. But, not a dancer!?! Not a design worth preserving.
But kayak paddles are definitely superior. You can drive upstream in powerful currents with a kayak paddle. You can surf more effectively in ocean waves. Verlen Kruger was wrong. Kayak paddles are superior whenever forward drive is the goal.”””
You said Verlen Kruger (man in the Canoe hall of fame) was wrong and did not back it up with any facts. What are people supposed to think when an unknown and unnamed person posts something like that? Sure you scrambled to come up with facts after I called you out. Lets just take the two largest rivers in America, the Mississippi river and the Missouri river both time world records are held by canoes. Remember Verlen paddled UP the entire Colorado River. Don’t you think he would have used a kayak paddle if it were so much more superior than a canoe paddle? No one can say either paddle is superior in all cases with every boat.
“”You need to apologise because you dissed my knowledge and ability without knowing anything about me. And you know you did that.””
Maybe I did jump to conclusion about you, but you can’t say I dissed you based on not knowing “anything” about you. I dissed you based on the fact you said Verlen Kruger a hall of famer, the man who paddled more than anyone in the world, and designed a boat that has more world records than any other hull design(all with a single balde) and Verlens boats have traveled further than any other hull design ever made. Hmm lets see than you come on and just make a blanket statement without even giving your name or experience. Really what is someone supposed to think. All the facts you say you put forth were AFTER you got called out. One thing I have leaned in life is so many people say this and that about things they really don’t know much about. You sounded like one of those people in your original post and I responded accordingly. I am not saying you “are” one of those people, but you sure sounded like one.
Verlen is proven you are not. Verlen said the canoe stroke was more efficient than a kayak stroke and he proved it with world record after world record and went on to break the world record for paddling more than any person in the world. That in itself does not prove the single blade is more efficient than a double, but it counts for something.
Then there is you who makes a statement saying Verlen is wrong and won’t even give your name and fail to even give facts until you get called out. You say you’re experienced, but guess what people say lots of things. That is why it is better to look at what someone has actually done as opposed to what they claim to be or have done.
John Latecki Jr
Half The Paddle
Twice The Paddler…
Sorry, couldn’t resist…
Jack
Lot of interest in this thread
On the ugly, nasty B & B board
Blades Are For Sissies
I thought it was time the Poling Contingency spoke up.
For upstream speed in mild WW I would argue that ‘Big Stick’ is the most affective method.
You would need a bloody long pole
For the sea.
canoe or kayak
Some people refer to the Kruger boats as kayaks. They have the look of a kayak because of the deck. The kruger boats are right where canoes and kayaks meet. The kruger dreamcatcher is referred to as a kayak. The dreamcatcher is the same as my kruger sea wind except it has a much smaller cockpit. Verlesns boats were all designed to be paddled with a single blade in mind. You can use a double blade, but it would not be as efficient as a single blade in verlens boats.
John
take a single and a double
The best of both worlds would be to take a single and a double blade paddle. Most people carry a back up paddle, why not be the opposite of the primary paddle.
John
Daggermatt: kedging technique
You simply disassemble your two-piece paddle and push alternately on each side of the boat.
Jim
2 piece paddle?
Is that like a broken beavertail? Got one of those but the slivers hurt when I kedge with that one!
No crying on the paddling fourm
G2d, I have been thinking I may on jumped on you a bit hard and I will apologize if…
#1 you promise in the future to contact me personally for apology requests instead of crying and bellyaching on the paddle form. People want to read about paddling here not hear crying.
#2 know at the very least a little bit about what you are posting. You don’t have to be an expert, but at least know something on the subject at hand.
As far as polling goes… poles seem to rule in swift moving shallow water, at least that is my experience. They also have a dual use. In case you need to club someone over the head the pole would seem to be more effective than a single or double bladed paddle.
John Latecki
Not to split hairs,
but didn’t Verlen actually portage 63 miles during his paddle up the Colorado, or was that another trip of his? Not that carrying a Sea Wind 63 miles, however insane one may think it tis, is not impressive in itself.
As a card carrying member of the paddling’s Proletariat, I reserve the right to have opinions about the Bourgeoisie. I must say, while Mr. Kruegers’ numbers are quite astonishing, my personal opinion of the man as I know him, is closer to Stavemaker’s than that of JrLatecki’s.
No he paddled
’'but didn’t Verlen actually portage 63 miles during his paddle up the Colorado, or was that another trip of his?""
That was another of Verlens trips. Well same trip different spot, he portaged 60 miles near south pass Wyoming. Verlen and Steve did have some portages around some of the rapids paddling UP the Colorado river , but most the time it was spent driving up the current and rapids.
Yeah,
that’s pretty friggin’ gnarly, alright.
They portaged A LOT of rapids.
Get serious.
I did this back in '73, when exploring
a flatwater creek. During my run, a cold front came through, and suddenly I was faced with high winds in my face. I alternated using my single and double blade, in my open canoe. I think I may have been better off having both available, as it enabled me to reach the take out when if I had used just a single OR a double blade, I would have been wind-blown against the bank until well after dark.
I have not been crying and belly
aching on here at all. Improve your perception of your own statements and actions.
By the way, as a former electromyographer, I was very impressed by your exposition of the issue of breeding horses with maladaptive muscles. You set forth the issue very clearly.
It is not relevant to ask people for their “credentials”. The facts are the issue. You lost sight of that.