Rescued! - Now Pay For It!

I don’t consider this “irony”. Rather, it’s hypocritical. I think rescuees, regardless of level, should pay.

So, the interesting thing about White Mountain rescues is that rescuee gets a pass if they are deemed prepared for the venue and conditions. This obviously lets some off and fines those deemed unprepared. But, all can “pay” in advance by buying a “safe hike” card (rescue insurance) or contribute further by donating into the fish and game when buying a fisherman (or sportsman) license.

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I’m very old school in my thinking and trying to slowly change. The way my mind has worked is that I’m the one responsible for my own rescue. I’m certainly not banking on someone else saving my bacon. I realize as I’ve gotten older that there are other considerations. At some point I may get a spot or plb. At least that way it will make body location and extraction easier for others So I really haven’t grown up too much. I did have to call the authorities once when a buddy wandered off and got lost. It seems he has had more than his share of mishaps. A super nice guy and I hope he writes a book someday about his experiences. As for me personally, I am more than likely crawling out of the woods on my own or not at all.

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Actually we pay dearly for typical rescues around the community, in the form of taxes or through expensive health care insurance.

With that in mind, it shouldn’t be unreasonable to expect a bill for extensive rescue services in out of the way places. The controvery starts when an accident borders on preparedness vs. stupidity. Rescue is part of societal expectations when you’re around civilization. It becomes controversial when a ship is diverted several hundred miles to rescue you in the middle of the ocean, or a helicopter has to search in a dangerous storm. Thatbis what they’re paid to do. Tricky subject.

Fortunately, most people built up skills to take on hurdles. Being caught in a freak storm is one thing, going out and being clueless is another. The It’s convenient to get appendicitis while watching TV. It’s a bit different if you happened to be on a mountain top, during a blizzard

Bought a Spot about 10 years ago when I was headed out for a solo Canadian trip. Primarily to ease concerns at home so I would send a ping out in the morning & evening. That would reduce the search area for the body. I also knew the portage trails & knew that there are areas with rather dicy footing.

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So, correspondingly, I have noticed that more high end SeaKayaks have been popping up in Craigslist in the past couple of weeks. A lot of beginners (myself included back when) will pick up a boat, without much intro on the sport or equipment, from a seller eager to get rid of his/her boat. These boats/paddlers will likely be out on the water in the next month. The “smart” ones will be taking lessons or in guided beginner trip/tour.

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I have to disagree to a point. It is not what you did that matters, it is that you did what you did with integrity, that is timeless.

100 years . . .

Timeless, lives forever, as it inspires future generations to live with integrity and act on principle and morality.

My dad used to always say “a hundred years, all new people” if I was upset about something :laughing::+1:t3:

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Maybe because we were both government service.

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This thread has me thinking about the (hopefully calculated) risks/rewards anybody is accepting when venturing out in a small boat. Most of the time the risks are negligible and the rewards well worth the risk. With experience and better honed skills we are better equipped to judge and make wiser decisions regarding what we may encounter and what we can and cannot handle. But these aren’t things anybody is born with.
What comes to mind today is a paragraph written by Sigurd Olson (in 1956). It is written from the viewpoint of a man who spent his life guiding and paddling in the BWCA and Northwoods generally. He, no doubt, preformed a rescue or two though I know of no writings of his on the subject.
What he did write about was the risks of running rapids, though it could reasonably be applied to other calculated risks we, and others, may have taken. I’m thinking of open water crossings in iffy weather, paddling in cold water, perhaps surfing in hazardous conditions…
(Not 8 people in a small boat without PFDs in cold water at night… Not the truly dumb stuff we sometimes read about.)
I think we (and I include myself in this) sometimes get a tad overly judgemental when we hear of mishaps that we can see in hindsight were avoidable. I’m thinking, though we should consider and learn from such reports, we would do well to temper the harshness of our judgement a bit.
He wrote:

“Only fools run rapids, say the Indians, but I know this: as long as there are young men with the light of adventure in their eyes and a touch of wildness in their souls, rapids will be run. And when I hear tales of smashed canoes and lives as well, though I join in the chorus of condemnation of the fools who take such chances, deep in my heart I understand and bid them bon voyage. I have seen what happens when food and equipment are lost far from civilization and I know what it takes to traverse a wilderness where there are no trails but the waterways themselves. The elements of chance and danger are wonderful and frightening to experience and, though I bemoan the recklessness of youth, I wonder what the world would be like without it. I know it is wrong, but I am for the spirit that makes young men do the things they do. I am for the glory that they know.”

But if rescue is required, repayment isn’t unreasonable.

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Don’t worry @tdaniel, I will come get you…

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There is a fine line between a calculated risk faced l by an experienced person and a thoughtless reaction by a careless person. The difference is the decision to resolve a satiation vs. denial of the circumstances.

The key to success, evolution and survival is learning to systematically solve problems. It’s not the conditions that dictate the outcome, but how the individual learns to face the challenge.

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“Sneaker waves” are not always on the forefront of awareness for shore fishermen.

https://www.surfer.com/news/fisherman-drowns-rogue-wave-marin-county

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Stay out of the water. Waves are dangerous.

Guess you and I draw different lessons and conclusions. To each their own.

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To each their own is the best way to describe it. You got to pay to play. We all play with different stakes. The more you gamble the more you can win, but the more you can lose.

Somebody has to pay for the rescues. It’s the cost of doing what we do. Every time we go out on the water, it’s the roll of them dice. How much each is willing to put down is a personal decision.

That’s one reason I don’t kayak for fun. To me, the stakes are too high just to have fun.

Unless we are an eighteen century Inuit subsistence hunter, I believe 99% of us are in a paddling craft for “fun”. What we deem “fun” and the level of risk associated are highly relative to the individual paddler. Without 20/20 highsight, I am still betting that I am safer going out into 3’ post nor’easter surf than the occasional or newbie paddler going out for “relaxed” paddle on a flat pond on a sunny day in the middle of winter.

Again, to each their own. That we agree.

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I do hope you haven’t taken offense to my agreement with you, because that is exactly what “to each his own means!” I’m personally impressed by what you do and can’t imagine that I every conveyed any impression other than that point of view.

It doesn’t matter to me what risks you take, why you do it, or what precautions you take; it doesn’t matter to me if you wear a helmet, a PFD, paddle a rec boat in a hurricane or a thunderstorm; whether you tell anybody when or where you paddle and whether family members know when you plan to come home, is your prerogative and your’s alone. I would never bungee jump, but others can jump for fun at their heart’s desire.

Nor should my preference or behavior be of concern to anyone, yet I often feel it neccessary on the forum to justify the way I equip my kayak for a trip. My doctor gets exasperated because I refuse certain medications and prefer to control MY own health by different means. I view him as a paid consultant, and sometimes he forgets his place.

It’s odd when anyone is taken aback by my comment that kayaking isn’t “fun”. That isn’t a rebuke for anyone who thinks kayaking is fun. I just don’t encourage anyone to take up kayaking, because it’s dangerous. You might think it sounds silly of me to say I kayak for the challenge, considering the difference between the degree of danger and the challenge we’re each willing to face. However, the level that I am willing to face, despite reaching a much lower threshold, doesn’t make it less significant to me. I still approach it with the same seriousness as you.

One difference is that you might view riding the waves as challenging and fun, while I end up fighting the conditions and simply view it as a challenge. Fun to me is driving a well set up car on winding mountain roads, because the car does all the work (it might be less fun for a horse if I chose that method instead). The way I paddle, the effort is beyond my threshold for fun.

Regarding rescue, I agree with the replies that accept primarily resonsible for personal safety, by assuming that nobody is coming to help, and the worst can always happen. Unless the boater is utterly clueless, the thought must occur while floating miles from land in choppy water that if something unexpected happens, you might be a few hours from safe resolution - that though is always present. Furthermore, if I kayaked for fun, I would never launch on a windless day when air temps are 95° and water temps are 86° wth 100% humidity. Yet some are presumtuous enough to suggest I use a spray skirt. I realize that kayakers in Florida use them, but go figure, because I feel no use for a pump - I would rather stay home and read a book.

We typically pay indirectly for rescue, unless the responders are purely altruistic. When publically available, it’s accomplished under the auspices of the community, tax subsidies, or medical insurance. It isn’t until the event occurs far from designated areas (you couldn’t expect a response from you community fire department if you find yourself 12 miles off shore and in trouble). I should feel relief if a helicopter drops a lift harness rather than a note and a pen on a fish hook that has a payment voucher. So don’t be surprised if the bill for a 100 mile helicopter flight is followed up with an invoice. I temper my destination enthusiasm to places where I can self-rescue. In the back of my mind is the idea that I need to make it back on my own. Maybe the outbound trip could be viewed as fun, but the trip back is something less than fun.

No offense taken. I’ve been on this site almost from its beginning. No way to last or enjoy if I take anyone here, myself included, seriously.

I will note that the breadth of paddlers on PNet, with respect to disciplines and skills levels, as well actual kayak designers and representatives of the paddling industry, have drastically narrowed over the years. At the same time, many other local and national paddling sites have folded. I don’t know why nor feel compelled to fix it. I just go with my internal flow, after all it’s just a hobby.

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