Math fails
The difference between 18’1" and 17’9" is four inches gang. End caps are not going to account for that big of a deviation.
My question for the 11" depth. Was that measured at the center, bow, or stern.
Next question, does the rear of the boat have re-curve whereas the front is fairly plumb?
At 18’ with dual sliding seats and a depth of 11", I’m going to say it’s not a Cruiser but a racing hull of some flavor, maybe a Champion.
re-measure suggested
from the superior canoe website are these measurements
Length: 17’9”
Width: 30-33”
Depth: 10/12/20
Performance Load Limit: 690
Kevlar Weight: 56
I don’t really follow the width and depth numbers, but nothing matches yours.
Especially if your stems are less than 20 inches a more racy model is likely. The kevlar seats also suggest this.
I think that a cruiser is more optimized for going straight than working through rapids.
Do it look like dis here canoo?
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If so it be a Cruiser. We rented dis one in Algonquin back in '86. Fast boat, carried a good load, but if ah' recollect right - turned like crap.
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FE
Au contrair (or however it’s spelled)
That’s almost exactly how much “extra” length you would get on my old Wenonah Vagabond if you measured from end-to-end across the end caps instead of from tip-to-tip of the hull itself, beneath the caps, so yes, what people are saying sounds about right to me.
The only reason I determined that length difference for cap-to-cap versus end-to-end of the hull was because I was still trying to understand why the hull was six inches shorter than the Wenonah catalog said it should be (a short time later I learned right here on P-net that this was normal for their Royalex versions).
its not designed for what you want to
do.
It was intended for long wilderness trips that did not involve running Class 2 rapids. It was intended for long tough portages.
The depth will tell you…its shallow. 11 inches even shallower than my 13 foot flatwater boat.
some way to send a picture?
I’m not sure I measured at the correct locations, but is there a way to post a picture…seems like it would be easier to identify.
pictures of my canoe
ok, I posted a trade ad on mountainbuzz to see if anyone out there has a playboat in trade. I posted pictures of my canoe…do the pictures confirm it is a cruiser?
here’s the link http://www.mountainbuzz.com/swap/showproduct.php?product=14393&cat=3
thanks
unidentified Sawyer
This is not like any Cruiser i have ever seen. It is not hard to believe the previous owner thought he had a Wenonah. Except for the core and absent side ribs, this sure looks like a Wenonah, really like an 18’Sundowner.
The bow entry, the bow profile, just don’t look like a Cruiser to me.
The HIN says Sawyer,the unknown M letter could be the key to this model. Where are the Sawyer decals and the side stripe?
Where is Sawyer George when we need his aged wisdom?
Bill
Sawyer
From what I know Sawyer only made two 18’ models. In what I call the first generation there was the Guide Special. It was designed by Ralph Sawyer and had a width of 36" a center depth of 12"(outside) with 17.7" depth at bow and stern. It was designed for and used mostly by fishermen and hunters. (it could carry a moose) I have talked to a couple of old time racers who did quite well in the old standard class racing them.
In the second generation there was the Outrage. I do not know who designed it. It had a beam at the rails of 33.5" a 4" waterline width of 32.5" a bow depth of 20", a stern depth of 18", a midship depth of 12.5". The superlight kevlar weight was 54#. It was designed for the stock boat racing class.
It looks like a Outrage to me. I need one for my collection, so if you want to sell it email me.
George
Second the Outrage
Looks like an Outrage to me too. Neat boat, and should turn way better than Cruiser!
serial number
If it is an outrage, does the ‘M’ in the serial number make any sense? Was the outrage a racing boat or was it one for long trips?
did Sawyer make an 18’ called the “Lake”
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......... there is one described as that on eBay now . Maybe they are calling a lake canoe because they don't know what model to call it ??
EBAY Sawyer
That is a Cruiser.
a sawyer outrage
thanks for all the help. I think the have a sawyer outrage. Based on the dimensions listed by Sawyer George and a weight of about 46 lbs. However, based on the discussion, this doesn’t seem to be a boat designed for what I like to do, so I’m going to look for a new family for my Sawyer on our local Craigslist. Thanks again.
man oh man
If you were a couple states closer to me I would be all over that canoe !
Same thing I thought. NM
Give Sawyer George dibs
He’s been known to travel pretty far to get a Sawyer.
Thanks for the pictures.
Now I have seen another Sawyer model. Please Consider posting the ad on this website as well. It sounds like it would be a good boat to go to a collector.
ad listed
thanks for the idea. I just posted an ad on this site. Also happy to email pictures.
picking it up
Too funny, stumbled across this discussion while researching the Outrage. Have an appointemtn to go check it out/pick it up Saturday, sounds like the perfect flatwater boat to take around the local reservoirs.