try to keep up…
…with SINKs or handle bigger water (while actually trying to get somewhere) in a 120.
120’s are like rec boats. 160’s you can actually tour over decent distance with, haul gear, camp - but still fun for just day paddles.
Great boat - but I still wouldn’t call it a do anything boat. Certainly a do many things boat.
No…but start here…
Prijon Yukon Expd.
http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.asp?pfid=2002.1&deptid=1394
Perception Enduro 12.5
http://www.kayaker.com/new/products/boat.asp?type=day_tour&ID=110
Perception Acadia 12.5
http://www.kayaker.com/new/products/boat.asp?type=recreational&ID=101
Riot Stealth
http://www.riotkayaks.com/kayaks/control/stealth.asp
Riot Voyager
http://www.riotkayaks.com/kayaks/control/voyager.asp
Dagger Blackwater 12.5
http://www.dagger.com/product.asp?BoatType=Rec&BoatID=307
Hope this helps,
-MEAT
Do you live closer to the ocean
a calm small lake, or whitewater? Buy a good entry level boat (used is better than new) for the type of water you live closest to and are likely to paddle most often. Get to know that boat and gain experience. Your second kayak can be a used boat designed for another kind of water. Two used boats are not necessarily as cheap as one new, as you also have to buy other accessory gear–a different paddle, sprayskirt, helmet for WW, paddle floats, throw bags, etc. You are better off starting with one boat and all the equipment you need to paddle it safely.
If you really becoe hooked, then you start saving for the next boat.
At that time
In the beginning of the last century some people used folding Kayaks (Klepper and others) to go nearly everywhere, from the Amazonas and Nil source to Atlantic Ocean crossing or nowadays round Cape Hoorn. WW III is a challenge, but possible.
Agree…
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pick a boat type that is most suited to the waters you will paddle most often. Then, depending on your evolving interests move on from there.
I started off with long boats, then into white water and surf boats. I use my long boats the least now. I much prefer to get out in surf and white water. High intensity and high adrenaline paddling for less time on the water. I feel more sore after a 4 hours of a surfing session than I do after 8 hours of touring. I also end with a bigger smile. I am adrenaline junkie to start off with.
Demo from clubs and rental places. Then buy used. The first boat is almost outgrown in about a year or two, if you really get into paddling and your skills develop.
sing
necky dolphin
at 14’is a sot that is competent in most situations.
HengeEng’s beginner question certainly
did not merit ScupperFrank’s long-winded and flippant answer which I’m sure he thought was terribly clever and immensely funny. I just thought it was rude, particularly as an answer to someone new to, and excited about, kayaking. But there are always plenty of the type in any pursuit; it’s just nice to know that they usually have plenty of time on their hands to craft such jewels of total boorishness instead of paddling and practicing a little politeness and civility. And Frank, by the way, if you find that “wholly grayle,” let me know; maybe looking in your SpellChecker would be a good place to start.
And on a lighter note, for HengeEng, if you’re willing to drop the Class II and above, look for a used (I don’t think they’re making them anymore) Wilderness Systems Shaman. It’s a fun boat at 12.5’ that may fit your needs. I’d be glad to let you know more about my experiences with mine over the last two years. I’ve seen them listed under the used boats at The Jersey Paddler and on the classifieds here. Good luck and enjoy the new addiction. Welcome to the club.
Scott
Many of Mark Twain’s better works
were probably described as rude by someone.I thought it was nicely done Frank , although somewhat less lengthy than your usual diatribe.
No “Mean Bone…”
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in old Frank's body. You eventually see that if you and the original poster hang around long enough.
Gotta understand, Frank lives down in florida and paddles a Scrupper SOT. You gotta question what he knows about paddling but you'll learn that he loves water, paddling and paddlers after all these years of...
"paddlin' on..."
sing
PS. Just jossin' those paddlers in "paradise". :)
Don’t mind Frank
He sold used cars for 27 years.
all in fun
Frank was being funny. Sorry you took it wrong. those of us that know and love him know that he is not in any way a mean or spitefully sarcastic person.
to be fair though, to the original poster and to you, how could you even begin to think that there could be an all around kayak? the question needed to be refined somewhat before any kind of realistic answer could be given. that is precisely why the comments showed up about different cars etc.
Frank has a scupper pro and an Isthmus, and a Perception Eclipse. I think they are up to 5 or six boats now. sing has a fleet, others too. why? because no one boat does it for everyone. Frank actually is pretty knowledgeable about every aspect of kayaking and reads a great deal. He even knows a lot about kayak fishing even though he never catches anything.
I think you need to sit back and realize that 1 the question was entirely too vague to warrant a specific answer, and 2 if you stay on the forums long enough you realize who the jerks are real quick and Frank is not one of them.
Paul
all-in-one kayak?
If you limit yourself to Class I and maybe Class II whitewater, and if you limit yourself to protected ocean harbor areas, the closest thing to what you seek might possibly be the Necky Santa Cruze. It has reasonable tracking, reasonable maneuverability, an upturned bow for waves, decent storage capacity for overnights, and has a skeg for crosswinds. I’ve tried one briefly and it was very nice, for what I did with ti, but friends have done the entire Connecticut River, into Long Island Sound, in them and love them.
Well …
NO, of course.
But I have to put in a plug for my boat. INNOVA
SOLAR double, 13’5". Good all around boat. Just did some open ocean in windy, wavey conditions. Some parts so wavy it was a washing machine effect. Boat handled it all like a dream – even where SOTs were getting capsized (though that was probably more the driver than the boat.). Of course, I modified the boat with an aluminum frame which gives it stiffness and speed
I’ve surfed the boat in the ocean, and being an inflatable, I reckon it could handle Class III.
I’ve toured in it and believe it could handle up to 200lbs. of gear.
It’s a stable enough platform to fish and dive from – and it’s pretty comfy.
It’s not going to keep up with any SINK – but like everybody’s said: no boat can do it all.
Prijon Capri or Calabria
I second what a poster said waaaay up above about these.
Thank you all for educating me.
How could I have not seen the wit and wisdom of the second-coming of Mark Twain?
And, Paul, thank you for offering my sincere apologies for being so wrong. I’ve already done my penance of 10 rolls and 5 wet exits.
I feel more enlightened already. Thank you.
Paddle on.
Scott