Didn’t Mean To Divert Thread…
I agree with Aug Dog above.
SOF- yes floatation bags. But if the design is low volume, doesn’t make much difference except will draining the boat on shore. Just something low volume SOF users have to accept as part of the package.
sing
I’m surprised we got this far
without a slight, but still relevant, diversion.! ; ) Sea socks will prevent flooding of the yak as it is something that is sat in. Use 'em all the time in my folder. When I build my Aleutian I’ll make the volume low, but still high enough to keep the cockpit rim above water with a few gallons in the sock.
The pump, when used in boats that require a sock, unfortunately have to go on deck as there isn’t really a place in the sock. I usually put them both on my reardeck and am forced to bite my tongue. My body protects them through waves going out but still subjects pump and float to washing off coming in. Wrapping the float bag around the shaft of the pump makes the pump bulkier but my pump is tethered and holds on pretty well. Ideally, I only want chart, compass and extra paddle up top, but my folder isn’t equipped with a day hatch or bulkheads so I have to compromise. Having boats of wildly different construction and design parameters forces one to think about the variables not just in boat but in technique. Sing made a good point a few notes above and it brought to mind my own struggle with technique in switching from one to the other boat and how they are provisioned.
Augustus Dogmatycus
MMV
Haven’t you heard?
SOT’s have made pumps obsolete…LOL…sorry just couldn’t resist.
Not Too Far Fetched…
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in warmer climes. A surf ski may be the ticket for certain day paddlers. (Inserted) Also, maybe something like the Heritage Shearwater (discontinued) but with an narrower beam would be a good starting point, before a surf ski.
Yesterday, surfed with a buddy in his waveski in 3-5' waves with 6-7 second intervals. Kind of ugly conditions for a short waveski. But there is something to be said about the simplicty of it for someone who is practiced. He mostly rolled when needed. The few times he needed to unbuckle, he was able to quickly scamble back on and snapped on the seat belt on in between waves. No worry about pumps, paddle floation bags, etc...
sing
WHAT KIND OF KAYAK DO YOU HAVE?
I put mine under the foredeck. If I couldn’t put it there it would have to have it’s own lashing/bungie on the aft deck or I’d do without.
only if you’re VERY SKINNY
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I can't imagine getting a pump out from between the seat and side of hull (if it's wide enough) while in the kayak. Maybe strapped down under the seat and along the keel. There should be enough room to jam the pump right up to your,,middle of the seat.
Meridian
and he is shopping for a longer boat (on another thread). His next boat is preferred in a Brit design. So, perhaps, order with built in foot or chimp pump (which he is also exploring on another thread).
All this discussion can be taken FWIW by whomever else. 
sing
cut a hole in the back of the plastic
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"knee tube" and your pump should fit all the way through. That's what I did for a friends Meridian,,the formed plastic can be drilled out and the rough edges smoothed with a rasp. Put in another bungie to hold it in with a 2' tether tied to the pump and clipped to the bungie.
You can also use the space on either side of the "knee tube" to attach bungies to the underside of the foredeck rigging to attach other gear.
Paddle Pirate:
Why do you keep the pump on deck in your Eddyline? What’s the difference between your Eskia and the Eddyline? What model Eddyline?
I’m just curious because I have a Nighthawk 16 and keep my pump between the seat hanger and the hull. The foam float keeps it wedged in there tight until I need it.
Paula
I just shove it in my rear
…deckbag. I paddle a CD Extreme which has a high foredeck and low rear deck. I like to keep the fore clean so as not to inhibit my paddling. The bag is low profile, is securely lashed to the bungees and is very reachable. I keep the pump, paddlefloat, stormhoods, food and water in the bag. It can’t be washed off in surf and probably would be a good place to wedge the paddle blade in a self rescue.
Get it off the deck
If you think bungees will hold your pump securely in surf, you’re kidding yourself. Extra junk on your deck is a pain and it WILL get washed off and become even more of a pain. It’s easy to store a pump under the foredeck or between the cheek plate on the seat and the hull, if your boat has sufficient room there. Wider boats can accomodate a pump behind the seat, but you won’t be able access it easily if you’re in the boat.
The RM Avocet cockpit floor has…
… two pump bungies, right between the legs. Actually, they aren’t mounted to the hull but to an extension fo the seat that juts forward.
It works surprisingly well, and does not particularly interfere with reentries. I have occasionally found the pump pushed out of one of the bungies after a reentry, but it’s easy to re-stow.
So, this bring up the question of setting that up yourself, custom-ly.
–David.
Sure That Ain’t
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a water bottle holder, like what you find in most white water boats?
But, what the hey? If it works for ya! :)
sing
I think
That if it has a pump in it …it’s a pump holder
if it has a waterbottle in it…it’s a waterbottle holder
and
if there is nothing in it…it’s just 2 bungies
sorry…couldn’t help it
I’ll be better tomorrow
two best places
on the floor in front of the seat and under the foredeck.
Not really
I’ve had to use my pump to pump out a SOT that had hatches that leaked.
I have a
Calypso, which Eddyline doesn’t make anymore. It’s kinda simular in body to the Nighthawk as far as I remember, but I’m sure they’ve made a lot of improvements. Very manueverable and you can pack for a multi-day trip and then some. Came w/a rudder. The way the seat is built and positioned, there isn’t any room for a pump to fit in between the hull and the seat bracket. It’s a hard plastic seat and there isn’t enough room to put a nice sized chain through that area for security. She’s still my baby, though.
The Eskia is a big bus. Very roomy, stable and can handle swells like an aircraft carrier. The down side is what it has in roominess, it looses in storage capacity and it tracks like a drunk Quartermaster on a winter Alaskan patrol w/o that rudder down. Great for breakin’ trail through ice, though.
I was in the area during the Thanksgiving weekend. Didn’t have my yak so I hiked the Elwha, then snow shoed up on the Ridge. Those trips are becoming more frequent. Maybe we can paddle sometime? Spent many a day paddling Freshwater Bay and surfing the pilot boat wakes off the Hook. Miss it.
Tis true…
though if it’s originally shaped for a water bottle, there’s a molded plastic form that doesn’t fit a pump. Here’s where the miracle of minicell comes into play. Can shape pieces to give the pump a more secure (as not get knocked around) fit.
Also, instead of installing with rivets or glass on another underdeck clamps for a pump holder, I used shaped minicell with velcro straps to do the same. The advantage is ease of installation and removal if one doesn’t like it. Disadvantage is that if it keeps getting bumped around, eventually the glue may seperate and require another application of cement every so often.
sing
On the roof is handy !
It gets more use here than any place.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/94051241/94051241JgMgbq
Cheers,
JackL
jack
I assume the bottom of the ladder has rubber feet?