Any experience with use of 2 piece greenland paddles.I have seen a couple on various web sites.They have a carbon 2 piece shaft or locking sleve like a euro paddle making them easier to store.Any feedback would be appreciated.
i have one
i tend not to use it anymore.
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2 piece paddles
The reason a lot of 2 piece GPs break is due to the stress riser where the wood and the ferrule meets. The ferrule won’t flex like the rest of the paddle so when the stress builds up, the wood can snap right at the joint. To make a good one, you need to build it stronger than normal.
I’m ordering in carbon ferrules right now for a few 2 piece Greenland paddles for my customers and I’ll build the loom up stronger than normal.
All the ones I’ve built so far have been one piece only, both solid and laminated versions, mostly laminated. Once I finish off 10 more over the next couple weeks, I’ll start on the 2 piece ones and will post photos afterwards.
Superior Kayaks two-piece
The Superior two-piece carbon fiber Greenland paddle is superb - uses Lendal lock system that works beautifully. Expensive, but it seems indestructible.
a real dilemma
I was considering getting one – I switched to a GP this year and have grown to prefer it plus I have Feathercraft folding boats and knew taking the GP on a plane would be a difficult option. But I was in Vancouver a few weeks ago and the folks at Feathercraft loaned me one of their 2-piece GP’s to try out (they were generously letting me take a Wisper out from the jetty by their shop on a test paddle out around English Bay). I found that my reservations about it were correct: having the usually smooth surface of the paddle interrupted by the reinforced wrap and the spring button was an annoyance using a sliding stroke or brace. Maybe I’m overly picky but I didn’t like it, though maybe it wouldn’t have bothered me if I had been wearing gloves. Every 2-piece I’ve seen has a similar design.
I’ve got a dinged up old storm paddle I thought of experimenting with, seeing if it’s possibly to embed a stainless all-thread rod (maybe medical orthopedic scrap?) and female reciever sleeve in the shaft of a cut-in-two paddle to reassemble it for use. A bit of an engineering conundrum (how to lock it from twisting apart in use? how would the embedded rod affect the paddle flex, strength and balance?) Maybe the answer is to cut the paddle apart in kind of an interlocking monkey puzzle, with a wood dowel pin that could be driven flush through it (getting wet would lock in the pin), but I don’t know how you would avoid weakening the paddle – impregnating it with an epoxy? I suppose these are dumb ideas – all the woodworkers who have been making paddles for years would have come up with something better by now if it were feasible.
For now, I’ve kept the nice shipping tube that my Friday Harbor GP came in and will probably ship the GP ahead of me by UPS the week before any trip where I fly there with my folding boat kit.
I have a Superior
Used it in Chile. It worked fine and survived being kicked and trampled by a cow (long story). However, if I have a choice I prefer my Superior all wood one-piece. I like the small amount of flex of the wood.
I bought one of these 2 years ago to use when travelling. Iusually use a Beale 1 piece WRC (he stopped making 2 pc paddles because too many broke).
I only use the Klatwa when I need to fly somewhere and I like it for that purpose.
I still prefer a one piece for everyday use and a storm paddle as my spare.
great GP’s" fadedred"
Countersunk spring buttons! What an excellent solution!
but it’s a Lendal Padloc system, that snugs up with a key so that the paddle feels like a one piece paddle
much nicer than a spring button
I too build custom Greenland paddles for the local paddlers around here.
What I found was that the after market furrels were made for fiberglass/carbon shaft paddles, and are simply too small for relitively weak cedar.
So what I did after installing the furrels is too drill a hole down the center of both shafts appox. eight inches or so with a extentinon drill bit, and epoxy in a piece of aluminum rod. It adds a little weight but is much stronger, and will add years of life too your paddle.
Leaning toward a lumpy
The 2pc breaking issues worry me. I have an old Don Beale Paddle(1pc) with a cracked shaft that has been repaired. I have been experimenting with it lately to convert from the Euro style paddle. I am looking to replace the Beale paddle before next season.I am leaning toward buying a Lumpy GP. The paddle maker only lives about 90 minutes from me. I have seen a lot of his paddles first hand. They are works of art and has great word of mouth feed back. But, he does not offer a two piece or do laminate paddles at this time. Are the laminate paddles worth the extra coin or are the more traditional style GP just as good.I am not overly rough on my equipment.I may end up getting a Lumpy for normal or local trips and getting a 2pc to use when travel space is an issue. I thank everyone for their feedback.
I avoid making them…
… and I will not do solid WRC 2 piece (except one for my own use - and it’s a hybrid type, not GP). If I do make a 2 piece (and have done a couple) it will be laminated (have done more than a couple).
I’m a little more comfortable doing 2 piece Aleuts than GPs as the (usually) longer loom/wider grip on the Aleuts means a bit less stress/compression issues at the ends of the ferrule. The ferrules I’ve found that are reasonable are on the long side. If I were doing a lot of this sort of thing I’d probably start making my own.
Even though I can charge a lot more (nearly double) for 2 pc/lam it ends up a break even upgrade at best on my end once the extra time and materials are factored in. Can do 2-3 1 pc WRC in same time, so technically a losing proposition (but real world I do very few paddles, so not an issue). Ones I have done (1 and 2 pc laminateds) have been special requests - for Pnetters who can chime in as to whether the difference is worth it for them. All I’ll say is their paddles are nicer than my own.
Bottom line: 2 piece is handy, and laminated is pretty, but hard to beat a plain 1 piece WRC paddle.
Now where did I put that other carbon ferrule I had lying around?
PS - as the the alimunum rod idea, I’d be concerned that it may actually accelerate the wood failure doing that (differential flex and compression of dissimilar materials hitting even thinner wood from both inside and out now), though it may delay a total failure. Doing a CF sleeve over the entire piece and turning it into a wood core carbon paddle is another option. The wood become core and CF to CF joints should be pretty stable.
here’s a time killer
I have spent many happy hours reviewing the web sites of the USA and Canadian Greenland paddle makers off of the link at this link…
You may find alternative to those mentioned in this thread for two piece paddles, and a wide variation in prices for laminated and solid paddle.
are true works of ART! The pictures above don’t do them justice. They are beautiful in person.
…over here in Europe makes fine paddles.
Either 2 or 3 piece. Nevertheless I took a 1 piece… Still much more handy than a feathered Euro.
I currently have a few different take-apart Greenlands. My favorites are the Avatak (beautiful wood blades made in Italy) and the Superior carbon paddles with the Lendal-lock. The Superior paddle with the Lendal-lock is very strong and “wiggle-free”. I used these for circumnavigations of Iceland and Newfoundland and even for playing in the incredible tidal races near Anglesey, and they have fared extremely well, with only enough surface scratches to give some character.
What is very nice about the Superior is that you can combine paddle halves to make new lengths. For example on long trips I carry an 86" and an 88". I can combine odd halves to make an 87". This gives you three different lengths to choose from and provides flexibility. On very long trips I sometimes start with the shortest length and build up to the longest as the days or weeks go by (and the kayak grows lighter or I grow stronger). If you go this route let Mark Rogers know ahead of time so that he can match the cuts.
Lately, for symposium appearances, I have been flying without my GPs and scrounging for paddles at my destination, since I don’t want to spend the money for the %&^$#$% airline checked baggage fees. What I need is a three piece GP! Are any manufacturers listening out there? ;^)
> Are any manufacturers listening out there? ;^)
Yes - Avatak! (no I’m no vendor)