Definition
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NOUN: Slang A person regarded as clumsy or unattractive.
ETYMOLOGY: Yiddish, from Polish zhób, trough, blockhead.
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with an appropriately
silly answer.
Show of hands: who here went to kayaks because they tired of constant, sometimes futile corrections in a canoe? Who found resting easy in a kayak, windblown and wavewashed, far from shore, a revelation? Who noticed being warm and dry in a kayak while spray freezes on deck?
Canoes are graceful and beautiful. Canoeists are beautiful and skillful. Practically divine. But smart canoeists, no matter how skillful, switch to decked boats and low CoG under certain conditions.
Does anyone know of traditional kayaks in warm water? Aren’t they exclusively associated with deadly-cold open water? In fact, weren’t they almost exclusively used for hunting modest game in that water? Didn’t moving goods and people, even hunting whales, call for open umiaks paddled by (several) single-blades instead of enclosed kayaks? I’d call a kayak a special-purpose boat, but that special purpose, covering water quickly in adverse conditions, is mighty attractive today recreationally.
Ain’t you never heard…
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...of a canoe with a spray cover?
These days, the only real difference between a canoe and kayak is weather you kneel using a single blade or sit on your butt using a double.. To wit, a kayak outfitted with a saddle becomes a C1 (decked canoe)
(btw, I own as many kayaks as canoes, but the latter are more graceful. Follow where you heart leads)
What a fun topic!
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These days, the only real difference between a canoe and kayak is WEATHER you kneel using a single blade or sit on your butt using a double.
Not sure whether I should debate you as to which boat to use in bad weather or not. Whether you are right or wrong, I prefer to use my kayak in bad weather. How about you?
try reading the profile again
Experience Level: Beginner
Location: sw fl
Gender: Male
Activities:
* Canoeing - Lakes
* Canoeing - Slow Rivers
* Canoeing - Whitewater
* Kayaking - Ocean / Sea
Favorite Paddling Spot:
Comments:
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the first line says it all - i am a beginner.
the “activities” section doesn’t say “proficient in”. (this is vague and gives a lot of wiggle room for interpretation.)
and then the part where it says favorite paddling spot is blank. that tells you something.
come on, dont get on here trying to shoot me down if i am asking for advice and a piece of your experience.
Can I get a rec kayak with
…a western saddle. I wanna be a “Kayak Cowboy”.
…YAHOO…
Paddlin’ on
G_K
ok…
thanks guys, i appreciate your comments (even the smartasses…) i’ve started to narrow the choices down a bit.
i knew when i hit that submit button that i was going to get some hell; i’ve seen it before with other message boards. but i had to because i looked around and didn’t see the answers i was looking for.
in all those posts there was a lot of good info and i you guys for that.
and if i am going to try to get a thread going for 200+ posts, i will come up with something better than this…hahah
The Knees
In the beginning, young females and males invented everything we do in modern watercraft on logs in the Tigris river.
Since then,we’ve diverged. Those with pretty knees have been satisfied with the open canoe.
Those with “challenged” knees have found it useful to cover those ugly puppies with a deck to improve their dating options.
And yeah, when the lee shore is France, maybe a deck makes sense.
Bravo JCamry98, master typo detector!
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You get a gold star!
Sometimes my brain gets ahead of my fingers; do you ever have that problem? Hmm...
I'm sorry if you were unable to comprehend my post because of a typo. Isle bee moore care fool next thyme.
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It’s easy to tell the difference
when a big wind starts kicking up or a storm on the horizon. The guys flailing their single (sometimes double) bladed paddles are the canoers.
On a camping trip, they are the ones you see everyone carrying their coolers and chair to for transport.
Generally an open boat with no deck is a canoe. A boat with interior storage (inside the hull) is a kayak. As with most things, every boat doesn’t fit into the neat little categories we would like them to.
jim
Bulrush canoes would make more sense
Theres a lack of hardwood on the Tigris.
Pants are an option for us ugly kneed ones. Don’t make me get a deck!
You can always tell a kayak
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in canoe country.. It leaves a spoor. Just follow the plastic smudges on rock.
I followed one green trail for a kilometer in Quebec a couple of weeks ago.
The canoeists I travel with tend to be the uber light backpacking kind, because we do Shield lakes.
Maine river trips leave me hooting...seems everything except the microwave gets brought..thought paddling was to get away from it all.
You can always tell a canoe in kayak country. They moor it to the bottom when they find it floating and the USCG paints a number on it.
try this
Post with the subject “are sit-on-tops real kayaks?” No message body will be necessary.
– Mark
I think the main difference between
them is the nature of the individual that paddles each respective vessel.
For example, here is a kayaker:
http://tinyurl.com/6azusz
Here is your typical canoeist:
http://tinyurl.com/2zyo2t
Follow where you heart leads
Amen.
(with an ‘r’ added for correctness, but no other qualification.)
that works both ways
not long ago I put wheels on my kayak and hauled it up a rocky trail from the water. The whole way I followed a deep furrow that turned out to be from the keel of a canoe dragged flat on the ground by one person. It made me a little light-headed, but here the abuse laws all favor the owner so what could I do?
Simple: You can
get “laid” in a canoe. You cannot in a kayak…unless it’s a huge rec. boat thing. But what would that be???
nice one
love it. Pissed myself 
LOL
proves my ism that the right answer is always maybe.
but I followed a green plastic spoor in Temagami for 920 m. As its not a cartable trail with several 25 foot lowerings a cart would not have helped.
Perhaps an inflatable/deflatable was needed
That would be pretty cool
in a 23 inch wide waterline solo…get that seat out of the way!
Canoes are not all haha barges.