Cliff calving

“I can tell you that if I was paddling in a National Park and someone flew a drone overhead, I wouldn’t be amused at all.”

A good reason to carry one of those high velocity slingshots…

And be ready to roll after the release.

I generally bring one these when I’m kayaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADW63thj-Pg

The French and British militaries have been training falcons to capture drones.

@Rookie said:
@qajaqman

Checked the rules and unmanned aircraft are prohibited within the NPS boundaries. That boundary stops at the water’s edge.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/unmanned-aircraft-in-the-national-parks.htm

Sorry I missed this post earlier. Where did you get the information that the boundary is the water’s edge? I think that’ you’re mistaken. The NPS regulates jetski use on Lake Superior at Pictured Rocks (and allows them :confused: ) so some of Lake Superior must be within the park boundaries.

https://www.nationalparkstraveler.org/2019/03/national-park-service-approves-continued-jetski-use-pictured-rocks-national-lakeshore

@qajaqman said:

@Rookie said:
@qajaqman

Checked the rules and unmanned aircraft are prohibited within the NPS boundaries. That boundary stops at the water’s edge.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/unmanned-aircraft-in-the-national-parks.htm

Sorry I missed this post earlier. Where did you get the information that the boundary is the water’s edge? I think that’ you’re mistaken. The NPS regulates jetski use on Lake Superior at Pictured Rocks (and allows them :confused: ) so some of Lake Superior must be within the park boundaries.

https://www.nationalparkstraveler.org/2019/03/national-park-service-approves-continued-jetski-use-pictured-rocks-national-lakeshore

As stated in the NPS link I posted, “This action applies to the launching, landing, and operation of unmanned aircraft on lands and waters administered by the NPS. Jurisdiction by the NPS ends at the park boundary.”

The NPS contradicted itself with the following from its boating site:
“Personal watercraft (PWC) such as jet skis may travel within the lakeshore from the western boundary near Sand Point to the eastern terminus of Miners Beach. PWC may be launched from the Sand Point boat ramp. PWC are not permitted elsewhere within the lakeshore’s one-quarter mile offshore jurisdiction along the Lake Superior shoreline.”

Am not sure how they claim jurisdiction over waters which are owned by the general public according to the Public Trust Doctrine. In a recent case before the United States Supreme Court, the NPS claimed jurisdiction over a river in Alaska and told a resident he could not use his hovercraft on that river. Court ruled against the NPS. Sturgeon v Frost March 2019.

The National Lake shore for the Apostle Islands extends one quarter mile from the shore.{of any of the islands among the national park}
I would imagine that all National Lake shores are the same. I doubt any are at waters edge.

That isn’t a contradiction, Rookie. What you posted only says their jurisdiction ends at the Park Boundary. It doesn’t say the boundary is at water’s edge.

@qajaqman said:
That isn’t a contradiction, Rookie. What you posted only says their jurisdiction ends at the Park Boundary. It doesn’t say the boundary is at water’s edge.

All land ownership has boundaries, regardless of its location or ownership. While Michigan riparian owners do own a portion of the land under water to the center of their respective inland lake, littoral owners do not.

MSA 324.32502 provides:
The lands covered and affected by this part are all of the unpatented lake bottomlands and unpatented made lands in the Great Lakes, including the bays and harbors of the Great Lakes, belonging to the state or held in trust by, it, including those lands that have been artificially filled in. The waters covered and affected by this part are all of the waters of the Great Lakes within the boundaries of the state.

Upheld by the Michigan Supreme Court in Glass v Goeckel, 703 NW2d 58 (Mich. 2005) and by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The NPS PRNLS laws and policies site states: Most areas of the national lakeshore are managed under proprietary jurisdiction. This means that the Michigan State Police, Michigan Department of Natural Resources, Alger County Sheriff’s Department, and the Munising City Police Department share jurisdiction on park lands and waters.

Proprietary jurisdiction applies where the federal government has acquired title or rights to an area within a state, but has not obtained any cession of the state’s authority over the area.

So, if you want to operate a drone along Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore, stay 1,325 feet offshore. :slight_smile:

So, if you want to operate a drone along Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore, stay 1,325 feet offshore. :slight_smile:

I think the PRL footage must have met the requirement. I wondered why it was so far out. Could hardly tell there were kayaks in the video