Exploring other winter glove options

I’m still struggling a bit to keep my hands warm in Ohio winters where I’ll go out when it’s in the low 30s or even 20s. I have these curved Glacier Gloves:

They are definitely waterproof, but they don’t provide much warmth. I’m not sure, but it seems like once they’re wet on the outside, my fingers get almost as cold as no gloves at all.

I also have these cheap pogies:
https://www.amazon.com/Heytur-Neoprene-Touring-Kayaking-Flatwater/dp/B07KJZZFZX/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3MIO8KQ0I24GL&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.rJgzSlWeYhYW2xXn5e1OPzp8LiWjj53JU4ClpaeFRh4IBkj5Z-PnTztlJFQoMQuy9nV6kU0EbEFQxMd6-GnSZe1HwGyxr0aCFQdXLI4oNBkvB_MC421MHh5Tmp7F4mhA.BPAlYoBUfX-Dnckq9fKXlPrXwa7BAHni5NTahvnTJ2A&dib_tag=se&keywords=heytur+pogies&qid=1734414850&sprefix=heytur+pogies%2Caps%2C124&sr=8-1

Surprisingly, they are very warm. Water tends to get inside them, but I guess the warm pocket of air helps or something. I can actually paddle barehanded with just these, even in freezing conditions, and my hands feel decent. The downside is, they’re kind of bulky, and once they get wet, they add some weight to the paddle. Plus, I use a GP, so the velcro closures barely close around the shaft. I’m guessing they’re designed for a regular Euro paddle and its round shaft.

I’ve also used some dive gloves. I think in 2 or maybe 3mm. They don’t do much to keep my hands warm. I think the problem is once they’re wet, and the wind starts blowing on them, it sucks.

Any suggestions? Does anyone make GP specific pogies? My hands tend to be OK until the air temps dip into the 40s. Today, it was in the low 50s, and water was around 40. I went bare handed and even dipped my hands in the water a bit. Felt OK, but for me, the 40s seem to be that magic temp range where my hands go from feeling a little cold to actually having that burning feeling because they are so cold.

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some prefer gloves, some prefer pogies

I’m with pogies (I wonder if it’s a ‘blood circulation’ that lets my hands get cold with gloves.)

I think the full neoprene are the warmest.

I’ve used neoprene, rubber-like (hypalon - (Snap Dragon Hyper Hands)), ‘HydroSkin’ neoprene (NRS Mambas), Aquatherm (Reed), Nylon
(all in order from warmest & heaviest on down)

I’ve got some sort of ‘alergy’ (or arthritis?) to the neoprene, so I can’t use them anymore.
Overall, I prefer the ‘Reed Aquatherm Low Profile’ pogies.

If the Nylon pogies get fully wet, they will not work well, also the nylon ones are the most difficult to get on, though being the lightest, if not too cold (under 40), I like.

I paddle north FL, typical winter temps here (predawn) 40s, 50s.

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’ve been very pleased with the Kosi Pogies Marathon Pogi. Lightweight, stiffened easy in/out cuff and reflective interior. Fits euro and gp (shoulderless easiest fit) made by Rose in Scotland on a century old treadle Singer sewing machine. Pleased enough with them that I stock them at the Store.

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Your situation with your hands seems very similar to what I deal with. I have had real trouble keeping my hands warm for my whole life. The circulation in my hands starts shutting down for the slightest excuse when they are exposed to cold, and in actual cold weather (and now I’m not talking about paddling), I have limited ability to keep my hands warm even inside very good mittens. I recall several times when I was a kid, during winter, when I’d tell a friend that my hands were painfully numb and I couldn’t get them to warm up, and the friend would offer to trade mittens for a little while. When I first put their mittens on, it always felt like there had been a little furnace running in there. The hands of normal people stay warm and radiate heat so the inside of their mittens get toasty. My hands only get that hot feeling inside good mittens during extended strenuous activity like hiking in difficult terrain (paddling is not that strenuous in comparison), though in very cold weather, even strenuous activity may not be enough to make my hands warm.

I only mention all that stuff to make a particular point here. I saw a bunch of recommendations here, many years ago during the older days this message board, about various neoprene gloves and mitts which were made either for paddling or for diving. Each person who had a favorite would say “these things will keep you warm”. I’m here to tell you that for a person for whom the circulation in their hands shuts down in the cold (and I’m not the only person who has that problem), ALL of those special gloves and mitts for water activities are USELESS! Don’t be disappointed if recommendations for dive gloves and the latest-greatest paddling gloves and mitts turn out to be at least as bad as wearing no gloves at all, and possibly worse than that. That’s how it is for some of us.

I learned by accident that plain old wool mittens or gloves, with a windproof shell over them, work extremely well in my case. Long ago, I went on an early-spring river trip. I knew it would be raining for much of the day, and I knew that the temperature wasn’t going to be any warmer than the mid-40s, so I bought the best, “warmest” paddling mitts that the local shop carried. I already had a standard pair of neoprene paddling gloves which I had hardly used (but already knew they probably wouldn’t work). Both the gloves and the super-fancy mitts turned out to be worse than useless, conducting heat away from my hands seemingly even faster than when my hands were exposed directly to the air and rain (that may not have been true, but it sure felt that way since there seemed to be ZERO insulating capability, and when taking them off I did NOT feel any increased exposure to the cold). I also had a pair of light wool gloves - simply knitted from yarn - and a pair of wind-shell mitts (this was not paddling gear, but just something I brought along to increase my options). I put those on, and within 10 minutes my hands were soaking wet from the rain, BUT, they were rapidly getting warmer! I wore that combination for the rest of the day. The wool gloves and wind-shell mitts were literally soaked all day long, so much so that I could sling streams of water out of them by swinging my arms, but at no point during the rest of the day were my hands even the slightest bit cold, and for me, in such weather conditions, that’s quite an accomplishment.

I’ve totally given up on modern materials for gloves or mitts for paddling. For me, those don’t work in the slightest. In dry conditions, good winter mittens are better in my case, and wool as the main insulating layer is the ONLY thing I will consider if my hands are going to be soaking wet. I’m not telling you to just get some wool gloves and wind-shell mitts (I know that some people just won’t like this idea, though it might turn out to be what works best. OR, wool gloves might be just the thing to wear inside of pogies). Anyway, from one cold-hands person to another, I advise you to face the fact that people who can successfully keep their hands warm can never understand what you are up against, and they will never understand how useless their advice is when applied to others who naturally have difficulty keeping their hands warm. You will have to consider options that normal people don’t need. Lucky for you, it sounds like your situation with the circulation in your hands shutting down in the cold is not quite as bad as what I deal with. But I get it.

One more comment about wool. I have similar issues with my feet as I do with my hands, so I always wear very good footwear in winter. I wear “shoe-packs” with wool felt liners plus a combination of a synthetic liner sock and two layers of wool socks. A number of times over the years I have accidentally stepped into water deeper than the top of one boot on a very cold winter day, and not a single time did the soaking-wet conditions that followed have any noticeable effect on keeping that foot warm. In fact, one foot has a slight tendency to get cold more easily than the other, and if that was the foot that remained dry, that foot would still get cold sooner than the foot that was soaking wet, just as would be the case if both feet were dry. Wool is amazing. I love some of the modern synthetics, but in my opinion, no modern synthetic material even comes close to wool in its ability to keep insulating really well when wet.

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I use dry gloves. Nordic Blue makes them, or you can DIY by adding latex wrist seals to Showa commercial fisherman’s gloves (these were formerly known as “Atlas” brand). They also make a model called the Temres 282-02 that’s long and has cinching cuffs, but they’re not as waterproof as using latex wrist seals.

I’ve always made my own and use wool liners rather than the synthetic liners the gloves come with.

I’m in Ohio also - Cincy area. I paddle and roll year round and only have Greenland paddles. I’ve been using Reed Chillcheater Greenland style Gauntlets for paddling (and a little rolling). These allow me to slide my hands instead of being in a fixed position.

I can wear just the gauntlets down to upper 40’sF. For colder temperatures, I pair them with military surplus wool glove or poly pro glove liners. For very cold temperatures, I wear wool mitten liners with them. The liner gloves/mitts are very inexpensive so I have an extra pair or two in my drybag to switch into if the first pair gets wet from sweat. Obviously, if you’re rolling, your hands will get wet with gauntlets.

I have those Glacier gloves and find them comfy for paddling/rolling down to the mid-40’s or so.

For colder temperature rolling, I use neoprene mittens from Kokatat.

The problem for me with neoprene mitts and gloves (for paddling - no rolling) is that my hands sweat a lot, so I have to have a backup, dry pair, otherwise my hands will get very cold quickly.

I’ve tried other pogies but have yet to find a GP friendly pair. The Kosi Pogis that Marshall mentioned look like they’d do the trick though. If he recommends them, then they’ll do the job.

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My hands are prone to getting cold, so I use suede mittens I bought from an army/navy surplus store, which have something like fuzzy lambs wool inside. They work great for normal winter life as well as winter paddling, and I’ve paddled down into the teens with them. Mittens are great because my fingers can offer each other mutual support and there’s enough room inside to ball up my hand to warm up fingertips when needed.

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As a bonus, your hands are not strapped to the paddle, and you can easily slip your hand out to blow a lungful of warm air into them for a quick heat boost. Mine resist water well and the insulation works when wet, and I’m sure they could be treated with shoe water proofer if needed. They look low-tech, even retro, but that works for me, especially while people in the other boats are fussing to get into their pogies.

Has anyone tried waterproof snowmobile mitts?

I prefer open palm mitts and sometimes place a chemical warmer behind my fingers on really cold days

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone! Anyone tried the “shittens” by Immersion Research? Looks like an interesting design.

I think I found the issue with the Glacier Gloves. They are OK at first, but after some time on the water today, I discovered they’re not actually waterproof. The inside gets wet after a while, and then they seem to act like my neoprene dive gloves, nearly useless for warmth. Better than bare skin, but not great.

The biggest thing for me is that my entire body is warm. I see so many who wear their athletic clothing to just become comfortable once full-on warmed up and engaged in their activity. They’re a bit chilly to almost shivering leading up and shortly after things wind down. If you even notice it feels a bit cool, hands and feet are restricting circulation. Gloves and mittens can’t warm your hands if your body isn’t warm. If I’m sweating, my hands will be fine with quite a bit of exposure.

When it gets into the 30’s or below, I wear flexible surf gloves and pogies. Right now I’ve been using 1.5 mm O’neill Psycho Tech gloves and Immersion Research Pogies. The gloves are enough to allow extra time outside of pogies while maintaining useful dexterity that thin flexible neoprene allows, and my hands remain sweaty toasty warm with gloves inside the pogies. It’s easy enough to come out of the pogies for a while, during downwind vs upwind or whatever, if me or my hands start to feel overly warm.

Sunrise Solstice paddle today! A nice color for the season. With all the more surf-oriented kayaks, sometimes I forget how enjoyable it is to glide along with even the smallest waves with some of these touring designed kayaks.



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In the good old days 1600 -1900 canadian voyagers would wear thick wool mittens that they would dip into the water and let a layer of water freeze onto the outside.

I’ve never been that desperate, but I own boiled wool mittens for my winter camping /mountaineering trips. They are consistently warm in sub zero conditions. You can upgrade them with liner gloves or a nylon wind shell. I think “the Sweater Chalet” carries Dachstein mittens. Not cheap but amazingly windproof and warm.