Favorite Couples Strategies

I went on a canoe trip on a very large lake with a guy that brought handheld walkie talkies. They were a PITA and I just stopped answering him after awhile.

I really enjoyed canoe trips with wives and girl friends over the years. Now I paddle with old men and dogs.

One of the great things about paddling solo is the separation. You can go on a trip with a group and have some time to yourself during the day. You can meet up while paddling and share a camp site at night. Over time we came up with the idea of separate tents. Now I just sleep with my dog.

Lots of good ideas, i typically listen to a cycle of the weather, then get tired of the chatter and switch to ch 16. About 10 minutes every hour, Iā€™ll go back to weather for updates.

I get in a zone when I paddle and prefer solo to get away from all the distractions. Going out on the water and engaging in what seems like an extended, push to talk phone call, isnā€™t my brand. Everybody has a different goal. If I paddle with someone and they canā€™t hold station or have no desire to learn, we donā€™t paddle together. If I want to talk to someone, Iā€™ll slow to their pace. If I get tired of the banter, Iā€™ll pull away.

Sounds like lots of good solutions offered for gregarious people. A lot of kayakers enjoy group paddles. Thatā€™s where intercommunication is probably helpful. When I paddled with groups, everybody seemed to have a different reason for being there, and it rarely meshed with my reason.

1 Like

Most people that want to chat, just try to stay close enough together. Hand held radios are a pain to use for extended conversations, especially in a manually powered boat. VHF radios are designed for communication, not conversation. Channels are limited and shared.

The advantage of some motorcycle communications systems is they use a voice activated talk function. Hands free operation and no constantly having to push a transmit button. However few are designed to be used without a helmet or are rated for submersion.

1 Like

Favorite Couples Srategies

I have noted that the tandem notion has been rejected. But Iā€™ll still put this out there, even to be simply set aside as an eccentric romantic notion.

I would suggest that your accepted paradigm regarding tandem activities with your partner could be cheating both of you out of really great experiences.
Are yā€™all capable of a paradigm shift in that department? It sounds like it would need to start with accepting and embracing the concept of self discipline on both peopleā€™s parts. ā€œIā€™m not out here with any personal goal other than to provide my tandem partner with the most enjoyable experience possible.ā€
I think the most common problem between tandem partners is that both go out with the expectation that the other is going to help me with paddling the craft and my paddling experience.
Iā€™ve found that if both people leave behind all their personal expectations, replace all their moment to moment solo-paddling inklings with 1st - wild levels of consideration for their partner, and 2nd - gentle communication completely and intentionally lacking imperatives, theyā€™ll find that they do the very same thing they would have done if they were both fighting for themselves against that person who refuses to help me, but theyā€™ll do it much better with far more enjoyment. So a lot of the discipline is both people accepting that their moment to moment longings, and consistently expressing those longings, isnā€™t actually helpful even to themselves, but rather the opposite.
So why do this?
There is a very rewarding experience in tandem paddling, controlling the same craft, that you cannot get paddling 2 solos. Itā€™s a feeling. Itā€™s a flow. Itā€™s like 2 people singing in harmony with one another. The result is simply not available to you in solo crafts. When youā€™re in a groove paddling tandem, the unspoken connection feels far more intimate than any exchange of words.

2 Likes

I love the sentiment, but ā€œbeen there, done thatā€. It comes down to many personality features and I can only say that getting out of tandems (bike or kayak) was a completely liberating experience for us both and only enriched our time together, removing a major source of stress. I love that you seem to have worked things out and we know many others who have succeeded where we failed, but we know of lots of other couples who also prefer to be separate-but-together when it comes to activities. Here we are with our current setup, which I am trying to upgrade. (and yes we BOTH wear PFDs on the water)

1 Like

My wife and I met kayaking and after many years continue to paddle separate comparable kayaks. We occasionally volunteer for river clean-ups in a canoe together. I can guarantee if we were to paddle a tandem together for any length of time weā€™d have been divorced many years ago.

1 Like

A couple weeks ago I was fishing on a lake bank and a couple in a tandem canoe came into view. They were at east a quarter mile away and I could here her chattering. It took probably 20 minutes to a half hour for them to paddle out of earshot and she never shut up the entire time. I canā€™t imagine having to live with that.

My wife and I paddle separate boats. She paddles a kayak and Iā€™m either in a kayak or solo canoe. We occasionally catch up with each other and share what weā€™ve seen but we donā€™t talk non-stop. I donā€™t like paddling with people who need to make mouth noises the entire time - it spoils the serenity and chases off the wildlife. It ranks right up there with paddlers with a blaring radio. I occasionally paddle with a group of friends and will usually paddle ahead or lag behind. When we catch up Iā€™ll ask if they saw the eagle/deer/otter and they never do because they were talking loudly and sent all the wildlife into hiding.

My wife and I get plenty of time to talk at home. We donā€™t need to ruin an outdoor experience with chatter.

Whitewater is a different thing. Obviously thatā€™s a group undertaking and requires communication.

2 Likes

The radios we got are not VHF radios. They canā€™t be used for contacting the Coast Guard or other emergency services or power boat operators. They are not CB radios either. They operate in the UHF band and their primary purpose is private two-way communications. We have earpieces with microphones and the radios have a voice activation feature so you donā€™t have to PTT. They clip on a PFD and can be used hands free.

Most helmet-mounted motorcycle systems are garbage and only work over short ranges and not very well because their voice activation canā€™t deal with wind noise. Plus the extra noise and turbulence caused by slapping a box on the side of your helmet is annoying. The good ones are bike mounted with wired or Bluetooth headsets that you modify the helmet to fit and the manufacturers put a lot of effort into mitigating the wind noise. They have an input for an external radio, where you plug in a UHF handset.

My wife and I have enjoyed many outdoor activities over the years, and there has always been a need for accommodations, so we can enjoy them together.

Back when we were younger and hiking and backpacking with three kids, I carried much heavier loads, and we were compatible on the trail. Weā€™ve always paddled a tandem canoe, and it was never an issue because when she wanted to stop paddling and take pictures, I didnā€™t mind. I like paddling, so if she was just ā€œridingā€ it was fine with me. Like you, her ebike has finally made it so we can enjoy a bike ride together, just had a nice ride on Saturday.

I guess writing all that doesnā€™t really help because it doesnā€™t provide a solution within your stated parameters. Maybe thatā€™s the point, everyone is different and to each his own, but sometimes ā€œtogethernessā€ requires some compromise.

2 Likes

Thats what I was thinking. I listen to music all the time - when driving and as background when Iā€™m sitting around at home. When working in the shop, my head phones have a built in radio.

On the water, I like silence. My sister would talk constantly, which I didnā€™t mind since I donā€™t talk back, but if one or two more peope joined the group, invariable someone would seemed to have the urge to whoop it up and scream. I hate noise for the sake of noise.

My favorite time on the water is in fog, when everything is muted, even the sound of passing power boats. I stopped going out on weekends because ithe water is too crowded and so many people feel the need to scream. Boats form in puppy-piles to party and play head banger music, with people screaming as they dive and play grab-ass.

I like the rigor of watching commercial crabbing boats working in silence, with the only sound being the diesels spooling as they power to get to the next pot. Sail boats sliding by in silence, and distant barges plodding up the channel with the drum, drum, drum of the pusher tug as it finally catches up and pushes past. Rythemic waves slapping the side if the kayak, and the faint gurgle of the bow wave. You know youā€™re in the groove, even with youā€™re eyes closed, when you canā€™t hear the paddle strokes. Tracking straight without a rudder require full consentration and instant corrections.

Kayaking is different things to different people. Iā€™d just rather be alone. Even when paddling with a silent partner, the communication is there, but itā€™s implied rather than stated. By staying on station, a wave of the paddle or an arm motion directs attention. Even a break in the rythem signals action ahead. A glance, a nod, or a smile is all the message you need to convey. If a couple is in sync, you donā€™t need to talk. Two boats gliding noiselessly at a fixed interval of 5 feet, with neither intruding on the other is communicating.

Sharing silence is something we rarely experience in the real world. Working in an office, even if youā€™re in a room alone, the intensity of the white noise is obvious when the air handlers shut down as maintenance worker change the filters. The otherwise noiseless wall clock ticks the scene from Poeā€™s ā€œTelltale Heart.ā€ On the water, i donā€™t have patience for noise. Thatā€™s my time to interact with silence, and itā€™s bests when I donā€™t intrude on it! Silence makes the air smell fresher; it lets you focus on the wind speed and varying direction. If you pay attention, you can judge your speed by the pressure of the wind. You can tell when the tide changes. Even though Iā€™ve traveled the same course a hundred times, its hard to navigate and talk, and then you miss so much.

1 Like

There are a couple of tandem activities we still enjoy but we have completely different interests and hobbies. Mine tend to be very physical while hers are mental.
Works well when a smart ,calm one looks out for a sometimes knothead.
And she lets me buy and use kayaks.

I thought of buying a tandem kayak, but realizes that is what a two seat canoe is designed to accomplish. The canoe isnā€™t as suited for open water, but I find the canoe to be more stable, roomier, and easier to climb in and out. It isnā€™t necessary to coordinate cadence to avoid paddle interference. The front paddler can paddle any pace or on any side, while the rear provides power, as well as steerage, using the proper strokes. A competent paddler should be able to control the canoe alone from the back seat. That reduces pressure on a novice in the front seat. Either paddler can provide propulsion while the rear seat can simply use the paddle to rudder control only while pausing for sightseeing.

3 Likes

My husband loves not being able to hear me so I have had to accept that he loves doing things with me as long as he doesnā€™t have to hear me talking.

He doesnā€™t follow any of my advice so it keeps me
flexible.

2 Likes

The best couples strategy is to be together in a canoe or a double kayak. You to work out some logistics. Some of my best trips have been with women I was in love with.

1 Like

With respect, that might be your best strategy and I love that it works (or has worked) for you. It is not uniformly `the best couples strategyā€™; each couple has to see what works best for them. As the posts on this topic have suggested, there are many excellent solutions out there and I am the last person to decide which is best.

It only works if one is a competent paddler who can paddle in any condition without assistance. Then the tandem paddler can do anything they please, within reason. I prefer someone up front, if only as ballast, and in my experience, the up front paddler has added propulsion, and no matter what they did, it didnā€™t detract from progress. That is a great thing, especially for a spouse who is berated for lack of proficiency. I think it can be a real relationship building experience that makes the partner feel . . . Worthwhile and part of the team.

But of course, experience may vary.

1 Like

With fiberglass or rotomolded kayaks the doubles were 90 lbs and that is a lot of weight to lift up onto a roof rack. Our new kayak is a double and it can have a Bixby motor drive added for effortless propulsion. The Sea Eagle 465 has a hull weight of 44 lbs and it can support up to three paddlers. I can adjust the seat positions depending on whether my wife is with me or am paddling solo.

Tandem bikes are a special case as they are much slower uphill than single person bikes. An e-tandem might be good but the length makes transporting them more of an ordeal.

The advantage of the two person kayaks I have rented is that we go at the same speed and no problems with my wife keeping up with me as would be the case with two singles. We are also closer together and so can talk with no need for radios or shouting. When there is a headwind the force is less per person in a double as the person in back is shielded by the person in the front.

We rent doubles when we want one and it is always a sit in type with a rudder. The rudder is a much have item with any amount of wind.