Another Christie video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaSwlTZb0bk
What canoe is that?
That appears to be a Twister
paddled by Becky Molina.
The twister is a highly rockered boat, more so than most so called freestyle hulls.
The video does a good job of illustrating the entire maneuver and the paddle manipulation. To Charlies point, it also illustrates how little initiation is required and how little pressure is applied to the blade when the maneuver is done in a highly responsive hull.
Close but not exactly
I suspect you are referring to the initiation as a pry. It is in fact a J. A pry would be a âthumbs upâ initiation which would switch the water pressure on the blade from the power face to the back face of the paddle. That would break the flow and be less efficient.
There isnât really a hanging brace involved. A brace would be more perpendicular to the hull and by definition, would be there to brace or support the hull/paddler. The placement (which I believe you are referring to as the brace)is back at the stern with the paddle shaft nearly (not quite) parallel to the keel line. By putting very significant pressure on the blade, one takes weight off the stern. That along with the heel, helps to break the stern loose. With long, narrow, non-rockered hulls (ie Bell Magic) or even more so with similar tandem hulls, that strong initiation is often necessary.
A little teaser about warm weather and
liquid water. Also an unabashed commercial for the 2015 canoe events.
This was put together by my good friend John Powell. Youâll recognize some of the footage from the video that got this thread started. Some footage is new.
Wishing everyone Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas, Joyous Solstice, and a wonderful New Year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILZwqq5dF1g&feature=youtu.be
Reverse Sweeping Low Brace
Iâd say the that whitewater equivalent to this is a reverse sweeping low brace - reverse sweep to a duffek- no palm roll involved. Itâs quick onside turn for entering an eddy. It also tends to slow the boat, so it is good for tight eddies and high speed entries. With the reverse sweeping brace, you can also lean the boat close to the gunwale.
yep definately a little j instead of pry
what Iâm calling "hangin brace is the hesitation in the reverse sweep but Iâm watchinâ it in slow motion so it makes sense that the pause seems longer than it really is. The nice thing about slow motion is that it gives you time to break everything down into little pieces but you get kinda duped as well. The thing I can relate to is that its an onside sequence with the stroke and the heel both on the right, which is how Iâm swift waterinâ most of the time. Linking reverse sweeps with other strokes seems pretty ânormalâ as well.
Though not the intended use
when the maneuver was developed, I occasionally find it to be a useful alternative to the axle or post in shallow water. It eliminates the chance of catching the tip of the blade on the river bottom. Same applies when there are lots of stumps etc.
Thanks
Marc,
Thanks for that link to that great video. makes me anxious for next season. My kind of paddling stream!
Turtle
Actually,
Lower Saranac is open about a half mile out. Not sure how weâd get to it safely or back, or what touring canoe weâd use, maybe Brennan;s Magic?
Any takers?
crampons and scoot the canpe
I have a drysuit or two for rent, which is a most appropriate item to wear.
For technique look to the ice canoers. Not exactly FreeStyle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnlhOBo6Vws
We have been to watch the ice race a few times and once had to help haul a capsized canoe over the wall. It was a very large team effort.
AgreedâŚ
Historical comparisons can be made with the old-school âtelemark turnâ we used to teach in kayaks. E.g.
http://www.ukseakayakguidebook.co.uk/Mike/Telemarkturn0001.pdf
For a modern sea-kayakerâs variant see:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_OVfA3Q0R1AC&lpg=PA57&ots=8O3RnABjMm&pg=PA57
Ps. Christie works OK in a Bell Magic, Placid Rapidfire or Keewaydin 14: heel before engaging the blade and you WILL end up going the wrong wayâŚ
Got out in my whitewater boat yesterday
and did a lot of sideslips in moving water. While I do tend to move the paddle forward and close the blade angle back towards neutral as the sideslip ends, it occurred to me that I do that to set up for the next stroke (usually a forward stroke or skulling draw) rather than extend the sideslip. As Kim said, itâs funny how you can do something all the time and know it works, but not really think about how or why.
Whitewater boat is obviously very different that a flatwater solo boat, but with sideslips I think they should respond pretty much the same.
Christie and the palm roll
I tried this stroke yesterday in my whitewater boat. I do a similar stroke all the time, but without the palm roll - a thumb up reverse sweep to bow draw. Itâs a quick onside turn that also slows the boat so you can get into small eddies. I tried it yesterday with the J stroke and the palm roll, and when my timing was right it did give me more control and kept the power face engaged though out the stroke. There were a couples of times, though, that I flubbed the palm roll and missed the eddy completely. Practice, practice, practiceâŚ
I need to try it in my flatwater boat.
Q?
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The hull turning offside with an early heel into the onside turn indicates the paddle is causing that yaw by either an angled paddleshaft or carrying the blade aft of the body into a sweep. Particularly in touring boats with long, sticky bows and loose Swede-Style aft sections, it can be easy to induce unwanted yaw when we tend to add extra power to roll into a maneuver with greater momentum. That situation, with the Center of Gravity on a different arc than the loci of forces, is termed a Yaw Couple.
Yeah, in a perfectly neutral world we can induce an offside carve by heeling onside, but we can also initiate the Christy. A little J on the last forward stroke prior to the Christie's full Hard J, Palm Roll into Reverse Sweeping Low Brace starts the stern skidding offside and solves all issues with offside yaw, as will attention to paddleshaft verticality and ending forward strokes mid thigh.
Kudos for your
Getting out there and messing around! Appreciate your report
Christie
Iâm one of those freestyle students that leaves classes inspired, and fail to use any of it on the water. I just sort of thrash through maneuvers. I want to change that. Turtle pond is 3/4 open now and Iâm headed out to practice my Christie. Marc, In the video, your initiation looks more like a rudder than a J and you donât end up with the paddle practically flat on the water the way I was taught. This looks more âpracticalâ to me. Iâll report back shortly(hopefully dry).
Turtle
Not sure what youâre seeing
I just looked at the slow motion video. It clearly shows a J. The paddle is relatively flat. With the shaft as shown, had it been a bent shaft, the blade would have been dead flat to the water. If I was doing a âshowâ Christie with a straight shaft, I might have lowered it more but this thread is about FUNCTIONAL.
Let us know what you discover when you get back from the pond.
Careful with that palm roll
You get used to that and you will be using your curved blade backwards half the time.
Thatâs why I donât used curved blades any more.
I was using my spare paddle
with a straight blade. Youâre right - it was way to hard with the spooned blade.
Agree re on-side eddy turns in WWâŚ
⌠which I would do mainly just for a change of pace or for show. But whatâs the functional purpose in flatwater?
How would a marathon racer in a very hard tracking boat make an on-side turn: post, axle or Christie?