We have 305 cases and 5 deaths ( and we have some 55 recoveries so you have to subtract from 305).
BIW yard was PACKED with cars today. The govt better allow General Dynamics to do the right thing.
I suspect statewide enforceable requirements were called for because some towns had already enacted strict requirements and some had not; a nightmare to remember and a contributor to community spread. That said people have been for the most part dispersed save for… trailheads!
We have not had restaurants open since March 17. St Paddys day was cancelled. Only take out has been available and believe me take out places are rare involving a 25 mile drive.
The curve has actually been a line. The unknown is will the load continue to be linear?
We have a wonderful state CDC Director who does a briefing each day that is open to questions.
Nothing was said by me or the Gov about stopping cars at the border. Your plate WILL be recorded and somehow the quarantine enforced…
Some of the cases that wound up in the hospital ( Reddington) were from people fleeing NY.
What we can do is walk locally , go for medical appts. go to the store and the pharmacy and hardware store.
The unwanted guest is here but social distancing is pretty much everyday for most of us. I feel bad for the fishermen and small business owners. We have to buy lobster direct from the boat.
I didn’t mean to literally stop all cars, though I see restrictions listed that could cause exactly that action. Unless the story I read misrepresented what has been set, in a given carload everyone had to be in the same family. I presume to separate people going to second homes from carloads of panicked individuals. IMO a wise measure and if I were behind a car of the second bunch being halted I would applaud.
Some of the cases in my county were also people from NY. My county has passed a rule/law that no one can rent to anyone from downstate for a while, I forget how long. Adirondacks have some imports got up there but locals know who they were and are attentive.
It would wonderful if Maine counts did not pop up into four digits with enthusiasm. I would not personally put money on that right now.
Subsequent to yesterday’s posts, I spotted an article that the Bath shipyard already had one positive ID a week plus ago. That one dx immediately caused a large portion of the work force to stay home despite of the loss of income. It probably will not reduce pressure on making that deadline.
I just ran the numbers as of yesterday morning for all counties in NY state. Since testing has been constantly underavailable for over a week now, the dailies are reliable on trend. 96% of the cases statewide are in NYC and five other contiguous counties downstate, 4% are spread out among 51 other counties. 0.66% in my immediate three counties that encompass three cities. No time to break out the champagne because we have 45 direct providers testing positive in one the of two biggest hospitals. But by the time NY folks are going to Maine in summer it may totally matter what part of the state they are from. Probably Massachusetts as well, they are a week or so behind us.
But by the time NY folks are going to Maine in summer?.. That time was two weeks ago. Property managers all over the state are getting orders to open camp now for seasonal residents. That is part of our issue. We do depend on tourism but the stores weren’t ready for their arrival in March. Grocery supplies are getting better slowly We weren’t ready for our summer neighbors who might be infected and not know it ( Medical capacity is NOT getting better. 20 percent of all cases now healthcare workers. When those get really ill who will step in?)
And some rental agencies are NOT renting at all. The properties would have to be cleaned and sanitized after visits.
I did go to the market last Friday. There were quite a few out of staters already.
What happens here will also happen in the Adirondacks.
Now off to bake a cake from the British Baking show… and to de shell some lobsters for stew, You may have to buy direct from a fisherman Celia as I did. The brokers are not processing much now as the fisherman are getting more from direct sales than they can get per pound from co-ops
Thanks for the reminder, my place cannot open early because it relies on the extended family getting there to do it. And yeah, no one would normally expect people to brave March in Maine.
The Adirondack thing so far is largely people who own a vacation home,. Rentals and air bnb no goes for the most part. The crunch will be if they have a pocket that explodes because there are not adequate beds in the region. But that is one of the wild cards that exists everywhere.
It appears though that in Maine some property owners are opening early? If I were there I think I would have some problems with that, for all the reasons you name. I am usually there a little before the local store makes a big change in its orders to accommodate summer people. We are talking later in June, no way they would be ready for that this early.
Appreciate the tip on lobster. I don’t do a lot of it, but direct purchase where I stay in Maine is pretty easy.
I did get in my first paddle of the season last weekend in SC but two days later the SC Governor closed all public beaches and boat access ramps due to too many people congregating in close proximity on the beaches. Pretty disappointing that some make poor decisions and ruin it for all. I paddled with 2 other careful friends and we kept our distance from each other ( and our boats) and the others at that access.
Another factor with Maine and other summer destinations is whether the hospitals can handle the extra seasonal population. Maine has a population of 1.35 million and only about 3000 hospital beds (found that here: https://www.ahd.com/states/hospital_ME.html). A spike in coronavirus in the summer could further stress the hospitals and the caregivers.
Traveled up part of hwy 301 today saw two “seasonals” headed back towards home states , Ohio and New York. April is when the big migration comes, or goes. . Would not want to be traveling to there. However the cases are likely in the population centers they might have been in South FLA where most of the cases are in FLA and their home areas are better. Can’t keep 'em in one place.
There are movements to control access points where possible, for ex the bridge to Cape Cod in Massachusetts. And shutting that down to all but residents would have a huge impact.
But I know a couple who have a house on the Cape that they fixed up and rent out for the time being, he is in the Coast Guard and they are holding it as a longer term home for themselves when they can settle. The owner correctly points out that making taxes is going to get a lot more challenging if he can’t get rent for it, and that scenario is playing out all over the Cape. And where I go in Maine.
The localities that want to totally lock down - and I get it, landlords in my county are legally barred from renting apartments for a while to anyone from one of the most affected NYC area counties - need to think about the effect on their funding for schools and public works down the road if they can’t find flexibility now. Maybe deferred taxes or something - the last thing these areas need to come out of this with is a huge inventory of houses for sale that can’t be moved.
It is really an impossible situation. But I have to say, I am also questioning the decision of many of these folks to leave their home. They are for the most part leaving behind their doctors and the medical facilities covered by their insurance. Even if overstressed these are the facilities where they have the most access. I have a chronic condition and I would not strand myself from my my hospital and doctor network no how the situation breaks here at home.
That’s a decision process I’ll be making this year. I’m in Ohio where our governor started locking things down very early. Perhaps as a result, we actually have less Coronavirus cases per capita than Maine so far (but testing rates may distort those numbers). And while Ohio is a pleasant place to live, it’s not a travel destination so we’re less likely to import new infections during the summer. But the whole picture will evolve over the next month or two.
Yup. Right now I think it likely I can get away with my summer visit to Maine. It late enough we will be past the peak at home, and where I go is itself a place of few people in a very small town. Aside from grocery shopping distancing is not going to be tough. And good chance I will be the first person in that cabin for the season. So my biggest risk may be driving thru MA, NH and Maine to get there.
But I only considering that because it is well out. I cannot imagine leaving my home resources now, when it is still accelerating.
Running about the same rate Ohio vs Maine but we are much closer to NYC. It will just get to your area later.
We have 344 cases. You have 2500. Your pop is about 10 times more than ours though it is hard to tell exactly the number of people present in a state at any one time and where their official residency is.
Cases are assigned to the state of residency. Not the state of occurrence. Quirky CDC guideline.
Thanks to Dr Shah I am getting more of a CV education and statistic education than I want. Classes are held M-F at 11:30
I think we will do pretty well as most of our border is currently closed so influx is limited and it can be tracked. ( we have 150 miles of border with the US and 650 with Canada)
Oh yeah rentals are being shut down so this will affect influx .Bar Harbor just did that.
General comment - what is making the biggest diff is when a state implemented massive testing or went to full lock down. The US is woeful on the testing part so we can leave that off the table.
This is because the biggest issue is community spread from people who don’t know they have been exposed. Putting it all off onto incoming people is a red herring. There is an effect but it is not fully explanatory.
Maine made that move 10 days later than many, Ohio actually did it early enough I expect they will be in decent shape fairly soon. It is way too early for any state that just barely did a full lockdown to be taking a victory lap.
So don’t come. Ohio is much more densely populated than Maine .Most of us don’t see anyone from day to day.
We have had distancing measures since March 12. I would like to hear from experts. Everyone has an opinion.
And fer petes sake why the emphasis on a state that has 376 infections 94 recoveries and 20 percent among health care workers , Can we discuss why paddling clubs in Western NY are just carrying on as usual?
Just stay away. We have had almost all our trails closed. Not renting now either.
If you are not an epidemiologist and I am not our opinions are worth asshats.
Did anyone read this attempted funny posted by our admins?
Not at all funny and it is no longer April 1
While the national maps have us late to the party in reality we who are here know that the orders became orders recently and enforceable but locally have been fineable in our population centers since March 19. Nothing new has happened except now the police have the permission to enforce.
I approve of the April fools ‘paddle in place’ because I’m exempt! And comon’ brian, more than 38 of us surfski we’re just a group of ferral cats. We dont group together well so our numbers seem small what do you mean “actually” surfski?
I think you just happened to get a couple of people with ties to Maine going on a discussion. I had no intent to pick on Maine. We’re all essentially stuck at home and happy to connect with people with shared interests. I do feel for everyone involved in health care. It’s pretty appalling when health care workers can’t get enough equipment to protect themselves, and at the same time are afraid they won’t have enough resources to provide the care they’re trained to give.
Michigan is now third in line for the highest number of cases, just behind NJ and NY. Of our 10,971 cases, about 85% are in the metro Detroit area.
That said, the county where I live is the hot spot of northern Michigan because of an international trip taken by a church mission group. Upon their return they had a gathering at their church and some participated in celebratory dinners on two different days at a local restaurant. It was the locals who spread it, not returning snowbirds.
We’re up to 20 cases; possibly more as tonight’s news reported several of the local EMS/Rescue team have tested positive. The EMS Chief stated the team “has the protective gear they need and has been using it properly.”
Evening news also reported that the DNR is shutting down some boat launches on the western side of the state because of overcrowding and fishermen not following the six-foot rule.
Inland lakes still frozen so I’m in a holding pattern other than a decision to not attend any symposiums this summer. I paddle solo and will stick to my secluded launch spots, or paddle here at home.
we’re just a group of ferral cats. We dont group together well so our numbers seem small 