Subclinical myocarditis is not often picked up on because they do not present to the medical
system. Cardiac deaths in young working adults are spiking. The excess deaths must be investigated by focusing on the temporal relationships to mRNA rollouts by excluding them. Of course it could be exposure to spike protein from natural infection, but that can be studied by comparing rates with the unvaccinated. It has been described that some
percentage of individuals still have mRNA bio distribution in various organs (cardiac, ovaries) many months later. What is the plausible biological mechanism that turns the synthetic mRNA āoffā?
They donāt have an answer. Bradford Hall criteria of causality.
Snopes?! You have to be joking. How about I rely on myself and my own education?
According to research published in the December 6, 2023, issue of Nature, the mRNA COVID shots suffer from high rates of ribosomal āframeshifting,ā which causes your cells to produce off-target proteins with unknown effects.
I have too many questions about the unknowns and i am perfectly healthy so I am not taking something that was sequenced from what came out of (censored)
How much do you know about the Snopes founders?
OK, I got my risks backwards. Regardless I am not in the high risk cohort and the RSV shot will be around next year. My doc is not hesitating to script it for people who have a high risk of a catastrophic case.
I got everything else they can put in my arm this fall. And I have completed lifetime series for some shots that many people I know do not have. I can be more conservative about one vaccination without entering the anti-vax camp.
(Which unfortunately gained some air space here since I checked into Pnet before leaving the house yesterday morning.)
It would be helpful if you would please summarize your main points so we donāt get lost in the details and have to watch videos and read medical articles. All Iāve gleaned so far is that youāre against vaccinations, distrust medicine and the medical establishment, and (maybe) think we should let nature take its course with illnesses rather than overtreating ourselves. Is that the gist of your position, or is there some other main point you want us to get?
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Talking in circles is pointless.
(circles have no points)
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And no ends eitherā¦
It must be winter.
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I think that this topic is pretty much dead. Everyone has their own set of facts, scientifically sound or not. I doubt if anyone has had their mind changed by what has been posted here.
It has been interesting reading about some peopleās experiences. Less so has been reading about scientifically dubious opinions.
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I saw the latest article(s) before leaving the house to do something useful. I suspect that if I checked them against Snopes it would not serve your cause.
But I have useful things to do today like getting my end of year donations in.
Your personal opinion clearly veers towards the conspiracy side, to which you have a right. But it is a personal opinion of yours and clearly not shared by many here. Those who do agree with you probably do not need to hear it again. There is no purpose to this churn.
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Perhaps you underestimate us. In fact I did have my mind changed by what has been posted. After reading membersā thought processes on RSV I did some more research on RSV and decided to revisit my initial decision to forego the vaccine and to talk to my doctor about it. I also took away a more favorable opinion of members who posted very thoughtful things about these difficult topics. Itās not just that people disagree about these mattersāmore importantly, it takes a lot of mental effort to sort through the scientific, moral, ethical, etc. aspects and arrive at a personal perspective thatās based on more than unexamined biases. Previously I only knew how these folks felt about paddling. I think itās a useful discussion.
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There really isnāt any evidence that masking prevents respiratory aerosol disease. Compare places that masked with places that did not globally. We wear them in the operating room so that droplets like saliva do not land in the surgical field. Itās always been known masks donāt prevent respiratory viruses that spread by aerosol (vs droplet.)
Another point Iād like to make about health care worker āexhaustionā that was mentioned is that wearing masks for 10-12 hours days x 2-3 years caused a lot of career changes. The unintended consequences are profound.
Also micro plastic particles have shown up on lung scans. These masks were made from waste in China and did not meet minimal safety requirements.
Didnāt you ever cough or sneeze when wearing them? I realize people will probably not change their minds but the effect size (if any) is negligible.
The cost with the hearing impaired, spectrum individuals and developmental language delays is well described.
See his literature review and meta analysis.
Cochrane risk reduction is a wash.
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You live in Germany.
You have spent inordinate amounts of time criticizing US based information and studies. Which have zero effect on your personal health care.
You did not address the causality cited in the John Hopkins study, you just changed the topic because that was inconvenient.
I rarely call a border issue but will now. Do not expect any replies from me to anything you post.
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Her photos are beautiful.
As I stated up front in my previous post that you replied to wear a mask, I have the right to do so, regardless of the reason. I do not acknowledge the harassers. If you donāt mind having someoneās āaerosolizedā viruses or their gross liquid spittle land on you, have at it.
COVID is not the only infectious disease making the rounds, either.
Have I ever sneezed when wearing a mask, probably once or twice. But hereās the big difference with ME: if I know Iām contagiously sick, I stay at home. Therefore, neither masking nor circulating among other people.
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I just donāt understand why anyone cares if someone else IS wearing a mask. If they choose to protect themselves and others, or if they have health issues that require it, why would anyone object? Or worse, harass them for it? It makes no sense. Not sure what the world is coming to.
The point that I havenāt seen in this thread (maybe I missed it) is that the original masking and shutdown mandates in the US were intended to allow the medical system to gear up and prepare for the onslaught of cases. It was supposed to slow things down. Plenty of people chose to defy this, and set things back, thereby prolonging it all.
Finally, nobody knew how this would all unfold. Nobody had all the answers, but somebody had to take the bull by the horns. I believe that they did the best they could with the experience and knowledge they possessed. Hindsight is 20/20, and erring on the side of caution is generally a good plan.
My 2Ā¢.
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I had 2 follow up Dr appointments this morning. Very few wearing masks , incl the docs. In the GP office I was taken to the exam room very quickly . The nurse said because so many people were coming in with the flu and similar viruses.
Five hospitals in a couple hundred miles around me just posted mask requirements yesterday. Some more rigorous for staff only, some for all, because the percentage of people coming in with one-of-the-above between CoVid and RSV has gone past their safe no mask level.
So as of today it depends on where you are.
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Iām not going to ask you to prove this erroneous and silly statement because youāve already shown that you donāt trust science or medicine and you cherry pick disproven studies to support your biases. I just wonder though, what use is your obvious intelligence if itās not used to find out the truth?
For those who have the good sense to wear a mask when Covid is on the rise, I recommend that you take a look at a New York company called Bona Fide Masks. Interesting company (read their history) that imports reliable KN95 masks made by PoweCom in China. Their website describes their quality-control measures. Great company to do business with, live humans answer the phone. This company has kept me alive for 4 years.
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Retroactive observational studies, some of which supported protective value of various types of masks against infection from respiratory viruses and some of which did not, are of no value in evaluating the effectiveness of masks because they did not and could not control for behavioral differences between the mask and no mask groups.
Individuals who had chosen to wear masks regularly were obviously more likely to employ other protective measures such as avoiding close contact with strangers, avoiding sizable social groups, staying home, frequent handwashing, etc, as compared to individuals who had chosen to never wear masks. These behavioral differences confound meaningful analysis of any potential benefit coming only from mask use. The only studies of value in this regard are prospective controlled studies.
The best data available at this time for the protective benefit of physical interventions, including mask use, against infection from respiratory viruses is the Cochrane meta-analysis which looked at the use of various types of masks as well as hand hygiene, quarantine, physical distancing, etc, and analyzed the results of 78 studies, including 43 quantitative studies that were done in a wide variety of countries including the USA, Australia, Hong Kong, and Australia.
Whether you like the results or not, the Cochrane meta-analysis suggested benefit from only N95 or certified KN95 masks and then the protective benefit was relatively modest. There was no significant demonstrated benefit from cloth masks or three -layer surgical masks.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
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There is one extremely important exception to this: virtually everyone had to go to a grocery store for food. I believe that grocery stores were a primary site of Covid transmission. Grocery stores in my area were VERY late in adopting anti-Covid measures. By the time they did, my state and my specific region were already practically at the top of US infections. We had a high number of political resisters here who refused to obey the (also very late) state mask mandate, and chains like Tractor Supply and Dollar Tree refused to enforce the mandate. In grocery stores, the area around the cash registers were practically a death zone, where crowds of customers, cashiers and baggers stood elbow to elbow.
I was one of the people who had to go to grocery stores. I feel quite certain that my consistent use of the right masks (KN95 rather than surgical) and educating myself on the proper use and care of the masks were what protected me, especially during the period when vaccinations were not available but also when I was vaccinated and the vaccination was waning. Avoiding contact with strangers and large groups and staying home were not options for me and millions of others. By wearing a mask in all public places I avoided Covid even though I have a very high risk factor (chronic bronchitis).
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