might really mean "Hip Kink" or single hip thrust or
guess I better leave this one alone :)
sounds more like a cross between a full layback sweep roll and a C2C....so that would make this a early exit layback.....or a layback roll inter-ruptus....HMMMM
just remember the roll is always done when you sit up....this means if you are still deep and you sit up....the roll is done. not completed, but done. I don't sit up until after I'm laying on the back deck......I always hear the fat lady singging that way (hard to properly hear her while underwater)
Best Wishes
Roy
PS I thought about this for a little while and realized that sometimes it is necessary to preform a sweep roll using the inter-ruptus method......I do it when something or someone is on the back of my boat, preventing me from doing a full relaxed layback finish
Rotisserie Roll Just for your info Fadered ,I learned to do the rotisserie roll last spring by watching your video when you posted it on Qayaq USA.
I find it to be good for demonstrating to students how relatively unimportant the paddle is and how crucial body form is to the roll.
Once the paddle is in position at 90 degrees it doesn’t move,sweep or brace at all…simply something to hold onto while you slowly bring the boat around with your knees.
has another one I sent him, of my wife doing a Balance Brace and rolling the boat over on top of her and back several times. I call it kayak krunches...It should be posted soon. It's another exercise in boat control.
Thanks for the correction. There are degrees of “interruptus” into a C roll, of course. I think mine is not that great, but still, that I describe it that way means that I am doing that. Important to teach it right, and great opportunity for me to improve my own roll. Thanks!
That’s what I get for using a term without giving a description. Source of my laziness was that it takes so many words to describe a motion that would be easier to show. You maybe helped me out with the term hip thrust. Would that be like the motion in the dance, the twist, though lying back when doing the motion, so lifting one hip and dropping the other, just like lifting one thigh and dropping the other for the thigh lift? As opposed the motion used in the dance (showing my age) the bump, which (to me) would be used in a C roll.
By lap pivot, I meant a combination of thigh lift and hip lift (or thrust, assuming hip thrust is as I described above.) I’m trying to describe what I see Dubside doing when he demonstrates layback rolls in an SOT, so you can see what’s going on with his hips and legs in his DVD.
(The above communication was attempted with a very innocent, clean frame of mind, hoping everyone’s pun-o-meter is off.)
All these terms… Just a comment on the terms used above in order to help clarify a term - I am one who thinks pretty literally and my head would be spinning by a couple of minutes of listening to that in an explanation. (and I am not sure that thrust reduces the pun-o-meter).
For teaching, you can just describe the actions. For ex lift the knee or thigh (best body part will depend on what they have contact inside the boat with), or if all the way over push it to the bottom to start the boat in a rolling motion, continue lifting the boat with that knee or thigh. Similarly say the position for the body as it the boat rolls up.
I think the only thing that really has to be descriptive for learning a roll is what the boat will do, that it will literally roll around and at a certain point will have a tendency to want to continue rolling up. So a good start will get the boat to that point in its balance.
Follow-up The trial session, where a couple of us wanna-be instructors got together with a couple experienced instructors to teach, went very well. Good time, and very rewarding.
I’m singed up to teach a beginner rolling class with 8 students and 4 instructors in April at a pool where we’ve rented time, and again in May at a one day TIKS event. The club is the Oregon Ocean Paddling Society, OOPS.
I knew this before, but working with 5 different people now has really driven the point home. And the point is that each person is unique. They each bring their own self customized set of abilities and obstacles.
The best way for me to improve my ability to teach now is to gain experience teaching, and thereby add to my perceptiveness and bag of tricks, through experiences with each individual.
This is a good way to give back to the sport, IMO. Thanks for all the good conversation here.
