"... would be a lie. You do not care for all deaths equally either so don't pretend you do."
Actually I do. And I'm trying to see how you don't. Your thinking is very foreign to me. Unless you mean that I will be sadder at my mother's passing than someone I don't know. If that's what you mean, then of course you're right. But the unknown kayaker vs. the unknown child--I can only speak for myself, but there you're wrong.
Normally you're not so touchy. Rivers in SC frozen today? Well then, tell me, just out of interest's sake: wherein lies man's value? I applaud it, but I don't understand: With your world view, what makes you grieve at the loss of an individual at all?
just to make sure I’ve got you straight man is NOT merely the product of time + matter + chance + energy + the impersonal?
There’s something more that gives man intrinsic value? I don’t want to put words in your mouth. Tell us in your own words. But don’t go all whacko comic-book on me now.
I am sure I am not, because I am not the only one on this board who would like to see it used properly. This started as an inappropriate post by someone with no direct link to the event, on the wrong board. You go on defending those practices as long as you want to.
show me show me another post whining like you did about the mis-posting. Unless you’re sharing your nickname with your imaginary friends, there are none. You’re getting slayed here miss manners. Puerile, touchy and resistant indeed.
A man died. A man died, which is a sad thing indeed. His death was likely precipitated by a chain of poor decisions. Do these two facts have a hidden synergy that’s driven this thread to +90 posts or is cabin/paddling fever setting in?
That and the least productive office week of the year ;)
Lot of bs flowing all around. Good topic though, and it does raise a question: do you feel less for someone who tempts fate? There were a lot of folks who said "yes" when steve irwin died. I have to say I feel more remorse for someone who loses a life to cancer or another cause of death through no fault of their own, than for someone who sets off in a dangerous direction without proper consideration. Do I not feel for that person also? Do I consider their life worth less?
No, and I don't think anyone else has said so either.
I play there too. I don't have a problem using all of pnet.
But, I do get tired of hearing some people on the B&B assert that the B&B is sooo much more civil than the Advice and Paddlers Place boards. Then it seems they only cross over onto the uncivil "other" boards to basically be uncivil.
And not only that, I'm also trying for the grumpiest pnetter award. Seems being Time magazine's Person of the Year only whetted my appetite for appreciation.
but no one says that No one says that board is more civil, just that sometimes some people who don’t go there have pretensions about how much more civil there board is.
You have zero chance of getting the grumpy award clarion.
Who is whining. I am criticizing you and everyone who thinks like you. You haven’t a grain of sense and only care that you can have your little trolling festival wherever you want.
So because it's posted incorrectly according to you (because no one else gives enough of a flip to do anything about it), it becomes a trolling festival? Maybe if you could see past your anal retentive ego you would recognize the value of the thread. But no - it's just a trolling festival. Gotta be more fun than the control freak festival though, huh?
OH - I get it.
Everyone else - who doesn't think like you.
So I guess that's...hmm....everyone, in this case.
Missing persons: VIP or not? “Make that missing person a Senators’ son/daughter & watch the resources flow.”
To Sea_Kayakers point, I seem to remember the family of a man missing in the Rockies throwing a stink several years ago when the authorities did little to search for their son, while at the exact same time, the U.S. Navy & Coastguard were dispatched at the highest priority to search for JFK, Jr.'s plane after just a few hours past expected arrival.
Now, if some of you want to talk about a case of the stupids (and experts in aviation agree with RARE exception that it was just that), John-John’s fateful little plane trip was the case by which all other stupidity can be measured. Never-the-less, I remember the U.S. Navy being dispatched to search for NO other missing person before or since that case.
As far as the deceased from Alabama, I know nothing of the man to speak ill of him (nor does anyone else on this medium, I believe), but I think it’s quite relevant to this board to discuss the SCENARIO of what we do know. For instance, I am a very new kayaker. Here in Indiana, we’ve had some unseasonably warm temps in the high 50’s (although near freezing at night). I was tempted several times to hit the river for a last run before winter, but I know that I am completely unprepared in skill or gear to deal with the water temps should I enter the water. I’ve had to remind myself of that everytime I hear a warm weather forecast, because it has been tempting. But restraint is often the deciding factor between life and death. Had I given into my temptation of going it alone on an empty river unprepared and unskilled in the situation, you may be discussing my obit on this forum. Thankfully, restraint won over with me, and postings like the original in this thread are relevant to teaching newbies like me to head the warnings.