so if you’re out of state
and use a dnr or state park ramp out got to have a permit in advance? and I got to pay more if I come from out of state? Is that right?
that’s how it works in many places
no one wants to pay permit or admission
fees, but everyone wants a clean park and park rules enforced. Go figure.
Washington had multiple overlapping
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example the fee for swimming in 013 ran out when the fee for breathing was still running but then there were 2 new entry fees, state regional and county.
I watched several parties trying to argue thier way in with expired stickers ... and we're not talking $5 here but 25-50-75....
But Ranger... if sticker A is current then sticker B is current...like that. How can you swim if you're not breathing ?
Pa is applauded for moving on the Tupperware crowd for safety equipment and awareness.
TAPE IT
if the Gflex went onto the loose rivets then tape the sticker
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_WW/VHB_Tapes/Home/Resources/three/
Ticketed $85 in Traverse City
for parking in trailer-only spot (which was pretty dumb to do, actually).
http://www.traverseticker.com/story/boat-launch
oh brother
Paddlecraft users and their paranoia about being picked on to support revenue. Just furthers my point.
I’m not claiming to be picked on.
I’m just glad this information got posted here. I’d rather pay the sticker fee than the fine. As a non-PA resident, I had no idea it was necessary. We don’t have that in NY.
I didn’t think you were
…but honestly, if others who do would just look at the condition of parks in general, they’d notice that most states don’t have a giant surplus.
As for the preference that powerboats get over paddlecraft, I don’t have an answer. I imagine if paddlecraft brought the same revenue to a state that powerboats do, they’d figure greater in the state’s choices, but that’s a guess.
understand the background
bottom feeders work off all rec areas with limited intelligence…are you with me so far ?
includes road folk 5 miles away at the Quick Slot
NOT displaying a $40000 powerboat towed by a $50000 automatically casts you out as a source of max income.
You are unwelcome.
Like Canada…
I am never with you
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and that's a dumb argument. A $25 permit, or following signs telling you where to park helps you avoid the mean nasty park ranger.
reason
does not qualify
My state lied about their “park funding
problem” and then used that fake excuse to attempt to sell off state parks to private developers who wanted water rights. When that scheme didn’t work well, they went on to turn over some state parks to partial Federal control. So now some bureaucrat, lobbyist, or banker in either DC or NYC can be the excuse to continue to mess with state parks here.
The revenue spent on state parks is much less than 1% of the entire state budget. Any time state says “we don’t have money for parks” they are lying. Period.
They also are on official record of selectively deciding to pit different user groups against each other to curry favor with this. They expect very nice donations from “non-profit” groups to keep parks open.
The current governor, the ex Jesuit trying to get Los Angeles his big water Tunnel project, btw, is a sleaze on this topic, and has appointed committees of people from SoCal and San Francisco to come to my part of the state and do public hearings threatening us with more park cuts unless we kiss their collective butts. They didn’t phrase it “exactly” that way, but it was close.
The state parks USED to be free and accessible to all. They have changed radically in the last 10 years. Now we have people of dubious intent deliberately mocking this “parks for all” concept, and continuing to attempt to undermine the need for people to retain local control of their recreational resources. The state parks are treated as local gated parks for the wealthiest who live next to them, and every body else is rated on some sort of scale of nuisance.
And my ability to articulate this is why they don’t like paddlers, because we notice sh*t like this.
No Wonder They Keep Developing
More and more new golf courses instead? Must be a high priority and public need for them. They do charge a fee for using them too.
yes, it’s all a big scam
Just like sea kayaks and the grain industry.
Bribery
It’s much more beneficial to give the ranger a $50 “bonus” for his work instead of paying for the permit!
Follow the $$$…everything is a scam of sorts and always leads back to money. In PA it’s oil gas (fracing) rights to public land which generate private revenues. It used to be fur…then logging…and water…and oil…wind turbines…water again…solar fields soon…
so that sucks
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I live in a really nice place to paddle, Oak Hill WV. It's all free regardless of what state you reside in, no boat registration for canoes, kayaks, and such. This stuff definitely factors in to where I'll boat and where I won't when I'm plannin' vacations. I like spendin' my tourist dollars where the folks and regulation is friendly. Hmmm haven't boated in PA in 20 years- place always feels kind of over regulated, got weird beer laws too. Pine Creek Gorge and Loyalsock will have to wait or be done in stealth mode.
in wv residents alread paid for it with
state income tax and invite you in free. Now say thank you ‘cause we believe in bein’ nice to each other, lots of folks could learn something from “the hillbillies” Just don’t steal our “sang” and its all good.
The public land
that you say people are bribing and or stealing rights to profit on isnt owned by the state. At least sub surface. The state got a lot of land donated by people for parks and such. Those people retained the mineral rights when they sold the surface. The state does not own the gas, and they cannot stop the person who owns the gas from selling it.
Its not a scam, its not a bribe, those people OWN the gas and the profit isnt converted into private revenues, they were never public to begin with. The state is making money on selling the gas they do own, all of the new tax money generated, and not having to spend to repair public roads that have been trash for 20 years that the gas co’s are bonded to fix, correctly.
I was wrong
PAFBC is not funded with state tax dollars at all.
“The Fish and Boat Commission is a user-funded agency - meaning it receives no PA General Fund tax revenue to support its programs. The Commission operates out of two special funds: the Fish Fund and the Boat Fund. The principal sources of revenue for the Fish Fund are fishing licenses and fees (about 66%) and federal funds (about 22%) obtained from taxes on fishing-related items. For the Boat Fund, boat registration/titling fees, refunds of liquid fuels taxes on gas used by motorboats and federal aid are the top revenue categories.”
http://www.bing.com/search?q=pa+fish+and+boat+commission+funding&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=pa+fish+and+boat+commission+funding&sc=0-29&sp=-1&sk=&ghc=1&cvid=df69ecafd4cb47d58ad027558984268b