anyone have experience with the clc pax 18 or 20? looks really fast. looking for something i would use just for day speed trips or races. are there better options?
i have heard very mixed things abotu those 2 boats. when i looked into this awhile ago, i was swiftly persuaded to look at the qcc 700, extreme, etc, etc.
If you are looking for a fast boat you can build, you are right on the money, especially the 20’ Pax. Another VERY fast wooden kayak is the Guillemont Razor Billed Auk. Plans sell for $75.00 and they have an awesome website!
Cheers and Good Luck…Joe O’
If you want real racing speed, then current top of the line is West Side Boat Shop’s Thunderbolt or a racing Surf Ski like a Twogood Mako or Fenn Mako, or the new Huki S1-X.
If you want a more general purpose touring/sea kayak with good speed, check out the other thread going on about fast touring kayaks like QCC Q700, CD Extreme, etc.:
For a really fast sea kayak from a manufacturer, the Necky Looksha II is by far tyhe fastest IO’ve ever paddled yet!
275 kilometers in 24 hours!
Looksha II is 20’x 20"
WSBS T-Bolt is 21’ x 18"
A Mako ski is 21 x 17"
Real question is what sort of racing does zzz want to do, and where? Boat recomendations are shots in the dark without the whole story.
(For the distances you did - I doubt it would be wise to go much narrower than 20"!)
anyone i’ve ever talked to who paddled the 700, the extreme and the looksha 2 thought that the looksha was by far the slowest.
Glad to hear it!
I’ve owned and paddled both extensively (still own the 700). for a long (longer than say 30-40 miles)fast trip, a mako ski could be tiresome and in the end might be too much, the Mark 1 would be a better choice. The Looksha was definitely more tippy than the QCC and for me, the looksha was slower in my personal logs. I found a big difference in initial stability between the two boats, with the 700 being more stable. In a long trip the 700 would be easier to paddle. The Mark 1 surfski I would consider being equal or slightly less stable than the looksha, but here the ski will be faster than either the 700 or the looksha II.
Agreed on Looksha 2 vs others…
it IS fun off shore when it’s hairy though…rock er + rudd er
Building ? RBA for sure…ask about RBA race or the 17" boat design too.
Pat, GO TO SLEEP! It must be about 3:30 AM out your way.
Sorry, couldnt’ resist.
My prime hours : ) …call anytime.
I have the whole bay and neighborhood to myself… just got back in after a second ocean run for the day. SOOO peaceful.
No traffic or SoCalAttitudes.
Apologies to folks on the right coast who try to reach me during ’ normal’ hours…
Looking for fast women
or at least a tribe of them. the village shaman.
Want fast–get a surf ski , forget the sea kayaks
Sure about that recommendation Hotstick?
Normally I might be inclined to agree with you, and zzz didn’t say it in his original post, but his profile say’s he’s in Northern Minnesota (and a river guide with a lot of WW experience). Maybe a sea kayak is appropriate? Only zzz knows for sure.
sorry, i’ve been away - more info inside
i am looking for a kayak. i’m in a couple of races a year, and would like something quicker than my clc chespq.-17. i used a friend’s strip kayak that was 18’x18". fast, unstable, fun. i don’t mind the instability, as you noted i have an extensive whitewater background. one of the races i do requires a kayak (and also to be no more than 18’ long, although that might be changing). i would probably prefer a wood kit, because i’m poor.
for protected water
For protected water the cheapest speed is a glass/nylon ICF boat. If you can balance it. You might be able to find a used Lancer, CleaverX, Orion, etc… for $500-$1000.
Here are two north American sources of them. Some of the ICF trainer boats by SRS have good stability and are still pretty fast.