Looking for tips to paddle faster

My son is in a single row boat. He was at a break so that’s my chance to get near him and ahead to start filming him. I convinced him to learn to row this summer. He is doing well and made the team. My guest is he goes at 8mph on the single. On the double and quad, they probably go 15mph!

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Row boat or a scull?

My drip rings want to move after they get wet. What can I do to make them stay in place better so I can use them to help keep my hands in same place, as paddledog52 mentions, on paddle shaft?

Buy two new ones from Werner

Or a wrap or two of friction tape.

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PaddleDog mentions using adding a layer or two of friction tape. That’s a good idea if you still need to adjust the rings now and then. If you don’t need to adjust them, you might also try electrical tape, but in that case, wrap the tape alongside the drip ring, starting on the paddle shaft and then overlapping the wraps up onto the flange of the drip ring. Do this on both sides of the drip ring, thereby locking it onto the paddle shaft. When wrapped this way and sealing against itself, electrical tape is highly waterproof and should last a whole season or more. Don’t make the wrapping of tape any wider than necessary so that your hands are not rubbing on the tape and tending to peel it loose.

Duct tape is the universal fix-em material, but I wouldn’t use it. It’s liable to create a sticky mess at some later time, either as it starts to fail or when you want to finally remove it.

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Another good idea. I also thought of using an O ring sized to be tight fitting, just outside the drip ring to hold it in place.

I like the O-ring idea. Decent hardware stores will have a variety of sizes in their small parts drawers.

Aug 1, 2024 - Novice Rower Kevin (youtube.com)
Here’s my boy rowing. I think its a scull. I know nothing about rowing and their gears. He’s new at rowing and only been there for a month. Still figuring things out. I just hope he sticks with it so me and him can enjoy times on the water! I have all 3 of my boys in rowing classes this summer. My boys rowing has certainly made me a much faster paddler because I am really trying very hard to keep up with them to make these video memories!

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Really cool. You’ll not keep up with him

very long. Great to see. Wish them all the best!

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Jyak, that explains it, your catch is close to the boat then arcs through 180 degrees or near enough. I see where I was failing in my low angle attempts.

if I get a chance this weekend to hit Marsh creek, I think I’ll try this after getting some race ready paddling in. Weather permitting. and finishing making firewood out of logs from the tree that hit the garage. I have 6 more to go just the rain hasn’t been cooperating as of late.

That’s a Scull. and they’re fast.

I’ve played chase in my Kayak with one, and they guy basically walked away from me.

I’ve also paddled one very similar but Carbon Fiber, god for something so long they’re super light, over a 4 mile run I’ve averaged 7.8 mph. of course it takes me a few miles to get used to them they’re so narrow that I have to fine tune my balance. buy what you learn from your college days the muscle memory eventually kicks in.

I use a Sculling trainer, for getting in shape for Kayak racing, hits almost all the muscle groups I need for the kayak. But damn they’re so fast they were banned from taking part in the Walnut 2 Walnut Race in Philly as they couldn’t cover them and the rest of the racers.

By following a full 180° low angle power arc (black line), you’ll make a sweep stroke that initiates a turn. Although the wing stroke is different, I borrowed the idea of how it departs from the 180° sweep.

The goal is to keep the blade presenting flat against the water to push the boat forward. When the stroke approaches the apex of the arc (paddle shaft is perpendicular to the keel line of the boat), depart on a tangent outward and continue pressure back and outward at around 30°. The blade remains flatter to increase resistance, while it follows the spoon shape of the blade which helps to stabilize the stroke.

Steve cants the Kalliste which mimicks the Greenland Paddle Stroke to reduce flutter. Unfirtunayely, that dumps too much water with the Kalliste and robs efficiency. The Kallliste doesn’t have the distinct dihedral that the Aqua Bound paddles have. Instead, I follow the spoon curve to gain a little more stability.

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A longer shaft is necessary for efficiency. Power comes from core rotation. Try sitting in your kayak and lock your arms in a paddlers box. If you have a high angle paddle of 210 or 220 cm, you’ll notice it’s too short. Additionally, the wide high angle blade adds additional torque on the grip as the lower edge of the blade grabs first. When you reach the exit, the blade that’s set up for the catch will be over the kayak instead of the water. That’s why I prefer the 250 cm over the 240 cm. A short paddle makes you reach and stretch, but with the 250 cm, all I have to do is rotate, lift and drop; rotate, lift and drop. The little bit of slippage can be used to slightly reduce effort and increase cadence. The blade area of the Kalliste happens to be right for me. A wider grip changes the fulcrum point and increases the leverage. Comments critical about the longer paddle reducing cadence, increasing effort, longer arc, less efficiency . . . Are baseless banter.

The stroke isn’t about power and speed. The outward and upward slicing exit places the blade for the catch in position for a sweeping tip first catch and sweep outward. A rythemic cadence allows you to focus fully on the catch. The high cadence isn’t possible if you have to focus on the exit and transition immediately to a catch.

Let me know when you go out and I’ll meet you so you can try it with a longer paddle.

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John,

I have a 240 Harmony Sea passage so don’t feel that you need to come up.

but that explanation is perfect I understand how your stroke works, I do the same with the Greenland paddle but need a 15 deg feather as my stroke low angle still makes the paddle twist, similar to when I paddle high angle though not as pronounced.

I also see how the stroke self corrects for boat nose deflection in the forward half of the stroke you deflect or try to one way and the finishing half deflects the other way.

Ok I get the mechanics now I’ll see if I can duplicate perhaps this weekend outdoor elements all depend.

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38 miles back?

76 mile trip?

Learn to read

That conversation was built on side conversations and comments to Craig. It had nothing to do with you and I don’t intend to clarify it.

:joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:. Really? I’m devastated.

I’m sure.

You still haven’t offered any advice on improving my paddle technique. No new tricks?

You need new arms.

Post up a video of your strokes.