That’s not what I asked, is it? Don’t you think it’s rather hypocritical to accuse me of something, then do it yourself in the same post?
“Variable quality” equals poor quality control, since the entire point of Q/C and Q/A is to produce products with UNIFORMLY high quality. The facts are:
NDK uses low quality materials that the rest of the industry has abandoned.
They don’t control their construction quality adequately.
Are you disputing either of these things?
While it’s certainly true that not every NDK boat has defects, they’re still built with inferior materials and a “heavier and stiffer is better” methodology that was disproven and discredited long ago.
If calling a spade a spade offends you, there’s nothing I can do about it.
Please DO point out where I’ve mischaracterized someone’s point and questioned their experience in this thread.
yeah, we get all that But I was referring to the example of coaming separation being held up as indicative of quality of all NDKs. Which is absurd.
Look, we all know QC is extremely variable at NDK. No one has been enlightened by this thread. But the accurate term is variable, not “crap” or “deathtraps” or whatever emotionally charged terms people care to use to substitute for effective and logical communication.
you said to me, “You know as well as I do that some dealers have found defect rates of 50% in shipments from NDK. How can anyone defend that???”
i pointed out that i didn’t know any such thing and asked you to cite your source/reference, especially since on the NE containers, i haven’t seen you around.
you have mischaracterized my position.
and you have thus far declined comment on where your getting that #.
your question was pointless …because you started with the premise that rick thinks NDK QC is exemplary. You asked him and others why he is doing something when he actually isn’t doing that.
Listen, it’s obvious this is an emotional issue for you. That’s unfortunate because I get the feeling you have lots of experience to share. But not when it colors your input to a point where you put words in other people’s mouths, when you use childish words instead of objective and descriptive ones.
We’re discussing accurate and effective communication now, not NDK QC, in case you missed it. I’m not exhuming past posts and going further down the road of characterizing you, but I will say that others seem to share the opinion regarding your M.O. and I’ll just leave it at that, you can choose any inference you like.
I didn't start with the premise "that rick thinks NDK QC is exemplary", I started with the fact that Rick defends NDK despite the fact that their QC and materials are substandard. Read his posts and that's quite obvious. While there can certainly be debate over the "heavy and stiff" vs. "light and resilient" construction philosophies and their relative durability, poor quality is poor quality and it's indefensible, especially in light of the fundamental nature of the problems.
The fact that you choose to misinterpret what I've said is not my problem. I have not put any words in anyone's mouth, all I've done is ask questions that you and Rick refuse to answer, preferring to skirt the issues and turn this into a personal pissing content.
You further try to mischaracterize my posts as "emotional", when all I'm doing is calling it as I see it. It seems to me that where the real emotion exists is between some NDK owners and their boats, which clouds their judgment and allows them to be dismissive of the myriad quality problems they have.
If you don't feel I communicate effectively, fine. It seems to me that the issue is that you and others read whatever you want into my posts. I guess we'll just have to disagree on that one.
You might want to… …look up “mischaracterization” in a dictionary.
Over the years, you have consistently defended NDK, in spite of the fact that their quality control is poor, which you admit, though I recall you using phrases like “good enough” and being dismissive of defects as being just par for the course. It’s the “Oh well, it’s an NDK boat, you know what you’re getting” attitude. You choose to overlook the problems, because you like the boats. You’re not alone it that regard, by any means, as there are many NDK “faithful”. If you wish to deny any of this, be my guest.
We disagree on the validity of their “heavy and stiff” construction philosophy and that’s fine, but their poor quality control is indefensible.
As for the dealer in question, frankly, I simply don’t remember who it was, as it was several years ago. I do recall that they received a shipment in which at least half the boats had serious defects and IIRC, they dropped the line because of it. Perhaps you remember who it was?
Step way from the keyboard before this gets bloodier ;-).
BTW: I had heard, from an NDK dealer, of the shipment of NDK boats a few years ago which contained better than 50% boats with defects. It was the final straw for the importer who afterward only imported Valley boats.
This low point contributed to Nigel putting Simon Osborn in charge. And Simon has not been in charge for a bit. So, we are talking a few years ago.
