New Surf Kayaking Tribe? Carnage Galore!

This kayak surf group in Asia seems to be new. Just noticed some recent videos put out by this group. Hope someone briefs them on surf etiquette and rules of the road, before one or more of them get seriously damaged. Maybe, they’ll also pick up on NOT using the skeg to get some directional control on the wave too.

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The world is full of crazy people in boats. I lot them drink a lot and have few skills. Their motto is “Go for it.” Some of them die.

Wow. Some crazy carnage there.

Hard to “un-see” that mess. Hope this new surf kayaking tribe quickly evolves.
For the dedicated surf kayakers, to clear the eye “palate”, go to The Hurricane Riders - The Push 5. One can get examples of safe surf practices: appropriate spacing in the impact zone; save the talk for outside of the break zone; know who has the “right” to a wave; adhere to one rider per wave; learn and practice directional control. This minimizes injury potential in the surf zone. Lack of injuries and damage to kayaks and equipment contribues to having fun.

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Wow, such clueless enthusiasm!!! Hope no one gets killed…

Yeah, this particular channel has uploaded a score of videos in the last several months. This group clearly loves surf and rock play. Maybe this particular video is specifically a highlight of carnage (I can’t read Chinese or understand their dialect to tell). But, almost all the videos seem to have some elements of bad surf etiquette and/or carnage.

They clearly have unbridled enthusiasm. Now, they just have tame it a bit and develop some discipline about maintaining etiquette so their members don’t get hurt.

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Ah, cut 'em some slack.

Etiquette? Before they get to that, maybe some basics for the dude in the Valley, like not letting waves broach while sideways?

Well, those rocks/jetties can always knock some sense into them.:ocean::crazy_face:

Everyone deserves a humbling learning curve.

Some of their other videos show some big rock play venues in serious conditions. Stuff that one shouldn’t play in without good backup from reliable team members…

Of course, we are all on a learning curve. As mention elsewhere, no matter where were are on the curve, “we are all in between swims.” Swimming is fine. What one should avoid is having a head taken off, or a back broken, because of bad practice either by you or a “paddling partner.” Surf etiquette is a NOT “hard skill” that takes lots of physical practice to master. Rather, It is a matter of disciplined observance of safety rules and utmost consideration of those around you in the surf zone.

If this group sticks together, I expect to see some rather exciting videos in the coming year(s) from them. The guys (and a gal or two) in this group have serious adrenaline addiction to surf and rocks. I personally can relate to that! :upside_down_face:

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I think they are paddling at Fulong, near Taipei, Taiwan.

A couple of their other videos they paddle to Elephant Rock, which I believe is this: https://goo.gl/maps/ju2C3ssGeaJgDMGq8
Interesting launch from rocks shown in the recent “kayak short tour” video they posted.

On the surf video, the surfing too close to each other and banging into each other is the major flaw I saw. Surfing with their skegs down also seems to be asking for broken skegs.

On the plus side, they seemed to be geared/dressed appropriately, have some surf skills (short of the giving space), and saw lots of performed rolls and no swims.

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Thanks, Peter, for the additional info. Didn’t ask when you visited but do you read/understand Chinese (Taiwanese)?

Anyway, some nitpicking – noticed a lot of extended paddle rolls with the Gearlab GPs. Not that an extended paddle is bad, but there were bad body mechanics by some and an over reliance on leveraging the paddle rather than good technique.

Swimming – yes, we are all in between swims. There were more swimming than shown in this video. I think these were edited out. I can see swimming in some of the other videos. Again, mostly blown rolls from so-so body mechanics (lifting the head up too soon).

Totally agreed about dressing/gearing appropriately… There were some high end equipment and boats in that group. :money_mouth_face:

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I can read some Japanese, and there is a lot of overlap with both traditional and simplified Chinese. Didn’t help me too much with these, besides knowing that we were working with a Chinese language.

In listening to what they said, I didn’t hear an ARR sound that is common in Mandarin, so was assuming it was a different dialect. Definitely not Cantonese, which sounds very different (plus they are dressed a little too warmly for southern China). So immediate guess was Taiwanese. Then found a Fulong in Taiwan, along with a nearby “elephant rock”, and it seems like that is the spot.

I’ve heard that the Gearlab owner is active in the kayak community in Taiwan, and them almost all using Gearlab also seems to support it (not that I really understand a GP in surf or rocks).

Here is another video from another member of that group. I believe he is the founder of Gearlab. Some interesting rock gardens:

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Good practice stuff here:

Props for doing it in conditions other than flat. :+1: :clap:

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They are speaking Mandarin mostly. (The pronounced rolling of Rs you mentioned is indicative of the Beijing accent in China I think). The Hokkien dialect is also commonly spoken in Taiwan and in the Fujian province of China where it originated. The song in the first video is in Hokkien.
As for the written form, Mainland China uses the ‘simplified’ form of characters but Taiwan uses the ‘older’ more complex form. Don’t ask me why. I’m from Singapore (not part of China but we use Mandarin here too). :laughing: Sorry for the Sinology lesson! :wink:

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