question for you varney
simply put: are you looking for kayak recommendations for people who can only afford one sea kayak?
Err…
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(Somehow, my original message got cut off at the knees..)
The AvocetLV fits in the first category. The regular sized Avocet is in the second.
According to the, finally, updated Valley website, which actually now shows the specs on the 17'5"Etain as well as the 17'7" Etain, the weight range on the AvocetLV is: 40 - 140lbs.
The Avocet's range is 80 -
As did this one. What'd I do to irritate the board fairy?
I agree with Slushpaddler…
…that the AquanautLV would be too big for a small paddler.
There is also a trend, now that manufacturers have recognized that smaller people of both sexes paddle sea kayaks, to get away from padding the boat out to fit the slender or short or slender and tall person. To my way of thinking, and God only knows I know nada about kayak design and all the other factors that are argued about endlessly here and on other websites, putting so much padding around someone so the boat fits, with the exception of foaming out a bulkhead or shortening it, is like making a size 8 shoe fit a size 6 foot by stuffing foam in the toe and heel.
nah…
The top end of group 2 will have trouble fitting into even the regular Avocet, never mind Avocet LV.
Doh! you’re right
My hasty misread of the group 2 weights.
maybe narrow the groups to 2
the middle group has a very broad range. How about “big” or “small”?
A discussion - no more, no less
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Not buying or selling. Have several boats. some commercial some I built. Yes I would be interested in feedback on an Etain or possibly a Walrus or a Tiderace, but more out of curiosity then any dire need to have one. I've gotten a fair number of paddling days in each of the last three seasons and what I own works.
I also have bought then sold some great boats, but they truly did fall in the category of boats meant for a different weight then mine to perform at their best for the way they were designed. As I stated earlier, I think there are a number of great boats out there, but all have a certain body size and weight specification for which they most likely will strut their best stuff and simply tried to frame all of this around various size of people first rather then around a certain company or kayak model first.
To Qualify
I am not looking for myself per-se, but I think it is fair to say that many people might only be able to own one boat so that is why I framed it as a boat for all seasons shall we say. That does mean the paddler’s body specifications should most likely need to be near the center of a boat’s specifications in terms of volume, weight capacity, rocker, chine profile etc. tp best serve as a one quiver boat. At least I would think it would, but I’m speculating and first to admit it. Kind of like buying one pair of hiking boots. Start with size first then go from there.
boats
Aquanaut is $700 over my price range and too small a cockpit. $1000 is the top of my range and I want a 35 inch cockpit, 29x16 is a bit snug. I don’t want to have to grease up to get in it. Like I said in my original post I’m 5’7" and 230 pounds. You can see I’m a bit on the round side.
It is an open forum
If that works …fine by me. I just threw out arbitrarily what I did as it isn’t rooted in decades of paddling or some high tech water tank trials.
Actually…
…weight is what matters.
That’s why most boats advertise their weight range.
Though occasionally, some tall and skinny individual simply can’t fit into boats that suits their weight and have to go to something else instead.
(I fit that discription when choosing WW boats though not sea kayaks. I found that very illuminating that WW kayaks comes in 4-5 different volume in one hull design. Yet only a handful of sea kayak model comes with differen size at all, and only 2 not 4)
fit is what matters
not really
you can do a lot of outfit the cockpit to make it fit you once you found the boat that has the performance characteristic you like.
nonsense
That’s an artificial measure. If you outfit an Explorer to fit a light, small person they will be too high above the waterline.
To say any one crit is “what really matters” is false and misleading.
Can you read?
Re-quote the first sentence of my post which you were responding:
“…weight is what matters.”
Your assertion: “sitting too high on the water” is exactly a WEIGHT matter, not a fit matter.
and you’re being simplistic
There is no one factor that “matters”. You can pad a boat to fit you. Any boat. That doesn’t mean it will handle well with a smaller paddler at the helm.
You can also cut out the front bulkhead or foredeck to fit feet that are too large for a given kayak. If you think “weight is what matters”.
You can also raise the seat in a kayak too large for a small kayaker. If you think “weight is what matters”.
Face it: you took a simple minded stance and now you can’t back away from it.
You’re so wrong!
“You can pad a boat to fit you. Any boat. That doesn’t mean it will handle well with a smaller paddler at the helm.”
If the WEIGHT is appropriate, the boat WILL handle properly.
“You can also cut out the front bulkhead or foredeck to fit feet that are too large for a given kayak. If you think “weight is what matters”.”
That was exactly what I said, some tall and skinny or short and heavy paddlers will have to find alternatives. Still, they have to found boat of the right weight range first.
And yes, they can alter the boat to fit them. In the white water world, that’s what many did. And as a result, there’re now a lot more options for paddler of different sizes. A lot more option than in the sea kayak side.
“You can also raise the seat in a kayak too large for a small kayaker. If you think “weight is what matters”.”
And indeed this has been advised many times right here in this forum!
Though to be precise, I think you mean SHORT kayaker, not “small”. Because a “small” kayaker would be too light for a big kayak.
You don’t have proper understand the fitting of kayaks. You are the one talking nonsense.
For Me … I’m Group 2…
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The Tempest 165. Why? Because it does everything pretty good. It's fast enough to keep up. Nice compromise of turny and tracky. The skeg controls weathercocking most of the time. It's plenty stable but still rolls nicely.
I'd like to paddle an Anas Acuta with a keyhole cockpit. I'm thinking it might be a 'one boat quiver' contender also.
Composite Perception Eclipse 17 / Sea
Lion works well for group 2. I’m 5’6" and 160 lbs and this boat has worked better for me and my paddling activities than my kevlar QCC 400X, Eddyline Nighthawk 16 or Eddyline Merlin 13.5. The 400X is too loose a fit on me and the 400X, Merlin 13.5 and Nighthawk 16 all track too hard for my preference.
The kevlar Perception Shadow 16.5 works well for many in group 1.
Zephyr
155 or 160 depending on your size and weight.