Pakboat XT-16 Repair: Salvage this Grim FB Sale

I won’t get into the details of the sad saga, but I recently purchased a Pakboat XT-16 that I later found had damaged sponsons. It is missing the seats as well. The seller claimed it was not like this when he sold it to me. I was really upset because it was the most money I have ever spent on a kayak. What was supposed to be a source of joy has just been one of frustration. It’s been a couple months and I am ready now to try to figure out what to do. I have left a message on the company’s phone line and email but I haven’t heard back from them for support. Does anyone have any ideas on how I might repair these sponsors? I do have that special 66 vinyl glue. I bought some Boston valves but they are too large. I am kind of at a loss this point. I would so appreciate any help.


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I would suggest talking to @willowleaf as well. She’s quite knowledgeable about the folders.

I’m surprised that you have not heard back from PakBoat. I’ve found them to be very helpful over the years but have not had much contact with them since the founder, Alv Elvestad, transferred control of the company to the Swedish mega-sports brand corporation, Scansport. The US dealership in New Hampshire is a very small operation and often in the summer they are out of the office on paddling trips. Alv used to spend a month back home in Norway and couldn’t be reached. I would keep trying to reach them – email is best.

Are ALL the sponsons tubes damaged? Have you been able to inflate any of them, and if so, did they hold air? Looking at the photos you posted, those look like the current design of the sponsons that they use in the Xts and the Quests so you should be able to get replacements from PakBoat. But there may be a better option. I had a discussion with Alv some years ago when I had bought a pair of PakBoat Swifts (a 14’ model that pre-dated the Quest line) that both had sponsons that would not hold air. Turned out they had one batch the year those were made where the company that made the sponsons and seats for them used defective material and the vinyl coating delaminated from the nylon disastrously and the sponsons and the inflatable seats completely failed in less than a year of use. The coating peeling off the fabric meant all the heat sealed seams blew out and the fabric had hundreds of tiny holes so they leaked like a sieve. When that had happened, PakBoat had replaced the defective parts for free to all customers who had registered the warranty or who contacted them and had serial numbers for that batch. But the couple I bought the Swifts from had gotten them as a wedding gift and never registered them so there was no way they could be contacted. It looked to me as if they had been used very little when I bought them ($300 each 6 years ago) but I soon found out they were unusable as is. What is your serial number? last two digits will be the production year. I think 2007 was the year of the bad batch of sponsons. If that is what you have, they may not be fixed by replacing the valves. But I don’t think they made the XT-16 back then so you are probably OK on that.

Anyway, Alv couldn’t help me with replacement sponsons for the Swiffts because they no longer made the twin rather than triple sponson in that length and it was 10 years past when they had done the warranty replacements. So I decided to make my own replacement sponsons, retrofitting the Swifts to a design more like that used by Feathercraft for their folding kayaks (I have owned 4 Feathercrafts.) I had ordered Boston valves from DIYpackrafts.com and was in the process of struggling to glue them into the holes in the new tubes I was making and it was a pain. I suggested to Alv that they make replacement valves that are already bonded to a square of vinyl or the coated fabric and offer them as repair parts in their inventory. It’s a lot easier to glue a square of fabric over the inflation opening than try to fit and glue bond the edges of the round valve. He thought that was a great idea but I don’t know if he ever added that item to their inventory.

I would suggest that you get pieces of the sponson fabric or a PVC raft/inflatable patch kit (link below to an example, though these patch kits are available in most large sporting goods stores for use with air mattresses, rafts, etc.) and cut the right sized hole for you Boston valve in that and glue the valve onto the patch. Then glue the entire patch over the old hole, being careful not to allow glue to migrate through the hole onto the inside of the sponson. I cant’ guarantee that you would get a solid seal due to the deformation of the area around the old hole that would have happened when the factory heat sealed it into the material before bonding the two sides together, but it might work – you have little to lose by trying it.

I’m making completely new sponsons for the two Swifts using H-66 glue and clear vinyl (which you can get at Joann’s Fabric or most Walmarts by the yard in several gauges). Instead of having the dual sponsons like are in my Swifts and your XT, I am making separate individual tubes that will slide into polyester fabric sleeves that will hang by the lacing inside the hull just like the original sponson assembly. I cut that perforated strip off my defective sponsons and sewed it to the sleeves that I patterned off the old sponson piece. I am positioning the Boston valves closer to the cockpit so they are easier to reach than the originals, which are kind of a pain since you have to pull off the deck to reach them to inflate or to relieve the pressure when you bring the boat out of the water. I have the same issue with the sponsons in my PakBoat Quest 135, which has triple rather than double sponsons, which really crowds the valves in the narrow stern.

As for the seats, I lucked out and was able to buy a used Swift seat from another forum member on the old foldingkayaks.org site. I will have to figure out how to retrofit something to the other Swift but I may be able to make a fabric one with vinyl inflation bladders inside, like the seats in my Feathercraft kayaks. It may be possible to retrofit one of the strap mounted aftermarket seats you can buy for sit on top kayaks but I have not tried that yet.

If you can hold off on further attempts on this repair, I have not finished making the new sponsons for the Swifts but would be better able to advise you once at least one set is done. I had suspended work on this project due to other commitments a couple of years ago but recently moved the bag full of the partially done sponsons to my new craft and sewing room with the intention of finally getting the job done. I’m hoping to get back to work on those next weekend.

I would suggest that you join one of the Facebook forums for folding kayak owners – I recently joined one that has many of the same folks that I knew over the years on the foldingkayaks site. This is your best bet for finding people who might have extra parts to share or information on helping you deal with the issues with your XT.

DIYpackrafts (link below) has some other types of valve that might work for you as well as packages of the vinyl material and a kit with an inflatable replacement seat for their rafts that might work for your XT. -You could try the top off valve, glued to a larger piece of material and then over the hole in your sponson. Or try the smaller red valve that he sells.

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I can say that I have two Pakboat Quests 150s and the sponsons in your photos look like mine. I have found Pakboat customer service to be very helpful and responsive, though not always fast as a major retailer might be.

A Pakboat question unrelated to this thread: What is the storage capacity of the Quest 150? Can it be used for multi-day trips. Thanks.

I have never seen Pakboat post volumes on their boats – probably a bit hard to get a fix on that since there are no discreet compartments separate from the cockpit area, as with bulkheaded hardshell boats.

I own the smaller Quest 135 and the similar low volume Feathercraft Wisper (closer to the dimensions of the 150). Also have a 15’ hardshell (Venture Easky LV) that has similar hull design. I would have to say that if you were going to camp out of it you would want combo storage/flotation dry bags and use compact backpacking type gear.

But it can be done. I’ve packed my 6 pound 2-person Marmot backpacking tent, a Klymit air mattress (packs down to the size of a beer can), a 3-season mummy sleeping bag, a backpacking campstove and cook kit, along with enough food, water and extra clothes for a 4 day, 3 night trip in both the Wisper and in the Easky with room to spare.

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Thanks, Willowleaf.

Were you able to fix the air leaks? I bought a used XT-16 recently and have similar problems with the air leaks. Not sure if it is the right thing to do, for a simple fix, I think the idea of the air tubes is to give the kayak rigidity and buoyancy, and I thought using small pool noodles may do the same thing. It does tighten between the frame and the skin so it is more rigid, and it is buoyant.

And to have a foot peg, I again cut a piece of pool noodle, cut it open, and placed it against part of the frame so I can place my foot against.

Any comments or other suggestions?

I had considered a pool noodle option. You can sometimes find very fat noodles, like 6" diameter rather than the usual 3" or 4". I have sliced those in half lengthwise (serrated steak knives work well for this) to use as thigh supports in various kayaks and it occurred to me that I might be able to slip split noodles like that between the frame and skin of the forlorn Swifts. But I have yet to try this. I sold two properties I owned last year to move to another house and have been kind of overwhelmed with all the work involved in settling in and setting up the new place. Sorry to say, the Pakboat renovation project is still languishing in a big duffel bag in my workroom.

Thanks Willowleaf! Good luck with the renovations but make sure to take time to enjoy being on the water in the summer!!

Pool noodles for thigh braces? Hey, I’m going to try that too. These pool noodles are amazing!

Do you know any other forums or websites I can find more info/suggestions on the XT-16? Wonder if I can make the kayak even more stable in rough conditions, or make it perform even faster?

Due to their beam width and hull depth, the XTs are never going to be as fast as the Pakboat Quest series. I had use of an XT-15 for several years (talked my boyfriend at the time into buying it but I used it more often than he did). The XT’s are more of a cargo boat, great for carrying gear on extended overnight outings. It does improve the performance if you can get the sponsons inflated firmly to sleek up the skin. But if you like speed, consider trading up to a Quest 150. I have a Quest 135 now (same frame as the 150 just scaled down for a smaller person) and it is a faster boat than the XT.

I have been trying to find a source for sponson tubes for a long time but not having much luck. The companies that sell them make them specifically for Zodiac type inflatable dinghies and yacht tenders or for sailboat fenders and they are fancy, oversized and costly. If I was more organized that would be a nice little side hustle for me to make them but I have not even gotten around to finishing the ones I started for my own boats 5 years ago!

There are instructions in the book “Building the Greenland Kayak” (easy and cheap to find used copies on Ebay) on how to make your own inflatable components like sponson tubes and flotation bags out of vinyl material, which you can buy at most Walmart sewing departments or Joann’s Fabrics.

Pools noodles are great kayaking accessories. I’ve used them to cushion car roof racks, bundled short sections with zip ties to fill in leaky hatches and the open hulls of boats without bulkheads and currently the salvaged sea kayak I have been paddling most often in the past 2 years has two lengths of pool noodle wedged behind the old backband because the harness on it is corroded and I can’t keep it in place without that support behind it. Looks weird but works fine until I can get around to drilling out the seized fittings and putting in a new band.

I wonder if the adjustable foot pegs that Pakboat sells for the Quests could also be mounted on the ladder type side frames of the XT? Those really help with paddling efficiency in my Quest. They clip onto the longerons below the waterline. If you can rouse anybody at Pakboat in New Hampshire, maybe they can confirm if those will fit.

My one criticism of Pakboat is that they went through a decade when they changed their models so often and discontinued so many of them, which made getting replacement parts a hassle or even impossible. Kind of odd since they founder, Alv, worked originally as a design engineer for Ally folding canoes. Ally has not changed its basic design and standards for over 30 years so parts available today will perfectly fit canoes sold in the 1980’s. Maybe that just frustrated him which was why he struck out on his own and kept altering the designs.

I had rigged a foot brace for my old Pakboat Puffin 12 by using a 24" length of 1 1/4" dameter PVC conduit attached across the frame with a 1" nylon buckle strap. More rigid for bracing my feet than a pool noodle or the inflatable foot block that I had bought from Pakboat to use in it.

I also think Feathercraft shot themselves in the foot before they eventually closed down by offering too many new models too quickly, crowding the limited high-end folder market with too many choices and also causing the same issues with owners having trouble getting replacement parts.

Right, I’ve used thicker pool noodles for my kayak “roof rack”. Those sponsons are indeed hard to fix…and the valves are flimsy. I am hoping that my pool noodle solution will solve it. For each air tube leaking, I put in place a small noodle about the diameter of the sponson tube. I am still experimenting and hopefully it works.

My used Pakboat xt-16 is built in 2011, and it took me a lot of time (and frustration) to assemble it, as I think everything is stiffer after so many years…even my back…lol. I thought I can put it together faster after a few tries but right now has given up and just put it on top of my car. I only went on the water once but plan to go more this summer and make adjustments to the boat to make it better.

One thing I like about the xt-16 is it is versatile. I have a single and tandem deck, so can take another paddler. I have to try without a deck and see how that goes, and can even consider putting three light paddlers on the boat. Will look into your foot brace suggestion…it will be way cheaper than buying the real thing!

Huh, I always found the XT pretty easy to set up, at least compated to my Feathercraft folders, wjich required strenuous “pretzel yoga” to wrangle the frames into the one piece hull skins. I always use a lot of bad language assembling those. But the XT (like my Puffin and Quest) goes together as an open hull. I suually try to assemble Pakboats on a picnic table or other waist high surface. The main strategy is to memorize each step and do in the right order. I know Pakboat’s instructions are lousy, so what I did with all of them is take the time one day at home and put each boat together photographing each step and made myself a documentary slide show album on Flickr that I could review before setting up a Pakboat for the first time every Spring. I think my album may still be on my Flickr photo sharing home page if you want me to send you the link. I shared it with several new XT owners years ago when I was active on the now defunct Folding Kayaks forum.

Hmm, I found creating the frame the toughest…some of the rods are challenging to fit. Putting the seat was especially hard as I needed to expand the width of the rod to mount it on the frame and the one I have never stayed, and the seat came off too easily. Hopefully, I can figure out how to put it together faster.

I took my boat out this morning and it felt wobbly. Wonder if it was because I was using pool noodles to replace three of the leaking tubes, and I only did it for the first half of the boat? I am not an engineer, but I guess I have to play around with it to figure it out. Oh, I did use another noodle as a hip/thigh brace and that was another $2 solution!

Sure, can you share your Flickr slide show? Do you know there is a video too but it takes too long to review.

Here is the link to my slideshow on assembling the XT-15 (same frame as yours but a longer solo only boat). Note that I have descriptions of each step in the text field below each slide. BUT: I just watched it myself and realize that it is NOT an instructional guide to assembly, just some shots I took to show a potential buyer the basics of how the boat components looked. I did make a set of instructional slides but now I remember that I posted them on the folding kayaks forum so that got wiped out when the forum went down the drain a few years ago. Sorry about that – my Flickr site does have instructions for assembling the Quest 135 but I’m afraid I am no help with your XT. My main tactic when I put together any Pakboat is to make sure all the black plastic clips on the frame are oriented the right way AND the rubber bands are a few inches away from every point where they need to be slid over the rod clips to keep them in place. Also, to not fret if the longerons are skewed on the bias while in the early stages of assembly. They are not going to straighten out until you have both the stern and bow assemblies levered into place.

As for your experience with it feeling unstable, it is very important not to have the seat too high (or overfilled if it is inflatable). Also you need to be very careful to make sure that the flotation sponsons are tucked at the right level behind the chine longeron below the gunwale. This may be a problem with trying to use the rigid pool noodles. When you distort the skin you are going to have stability wonkiness.