Be careful
Knots and loops placed on the free ends of painters can be very hazardous in moving water.
If the painter is floating, a knot or loop makes it much more likely that the boat will get hung. It may do so in a location that you cannot safely get to, or in a place that creates hazards for others.
Don’t put a loop in a painter around your wrist in moving water, or grab it in any fashion such that you can’t immediately release it.
the loop …
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....... would be used on the rope to canoe attacment , for a quick and easy connection .
The loop passes under something such as a carry handle or thwart and the tag end passes over the thwart etc. , and through the loop . Pull the remainder of the rope through the loop and when it draws up snug , it's attached . It removes just as easily . Just a quick way to attach a rope to anything without need of knots .
You can do what ever you want with the tag end of the rope , it has no loop or knots in it . Tie it off to something , line your canoe with it , drag the canoe , etc. .
Every rope I have has always had a loop tied up on one end , and has always been a great plus for me , and many ways to use it .
If you care to take the time , you could do one of the fancy loop weaves so there is no overhand knot exposed .
3/16-3/8 quality polypropylene
this Marlow line is very good. Easy on the hands, not exactly rescue line but strong enough, floats on the water and holds knots.
http://www.apsltd.com/c-1592-Marstron-Marlow.aspx
too thin
and it sinks!
I prefer 3/8" yellow poly as it can be seen easily, floats and is cheap to replace.
Been using it since 2001…
As a painter, paddle leash, bow & stern tie downs, lashing gear to the decks & under deck.
Not a thing wrong with it except it is not made of yuppie material or color, nor does it have a yuppie name.
Paddle easy,
Coffee
Ummmmmm… Yep.
Take 100’ of each & size & weight are drastically different.
Paddle easy,
Coffee
For flatwater I use this:
http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.asp?pfid=1831&pdeptid=1039
Floats, easy on the hand (kernmantle construction) and even though it is called 1/4 it sizes out as 5/16" line.
Oh, yeah. Another vote against 550 cord.
Jim
sounds and looks like
yuppie material and color
100’?
Who uses 100’ (or 50’ at each end) of painter?
Home Depot
Carries a floating poly in 3/8" that comes in “non-yuppie” colors and won’t slip out of or hurt your yuppie hands or make them have to fish the sunken line out from between the submerged snags. You can have all the yuppie benefits without everyone spotting your yuppie cordage from a distance and scorning your yuppiehood (unless you paddle something better than a Coleman - in that case, there’s no escaping it).
Look For “Ranger” Cord
Is braided, and a little thicker but still MilSpec
He asked about the weight…
Well, you need to have some sort of comparison… Better than:
“cut 1 inch of each and see how much they weigh”.
AND that just goes to show that 100’ of paracord is not only lighter, but also takes up less space (by far).
Paddle easy,
Coffee
LMAO!!!
Hey Steve…
Kinda off track, but the two man tent thread has me wondering. Was it you you that I sold my Eureka Apex3XTA to?
Paddle easy,
Coffee
Sure.
But the thread is about painters.
Nope.
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I don't even know what that is.
Edit: Okay, had to look. Decent looking tent. My outback tent for many years has been one that is exactly like the Eureka Timberline 2, but a different brand and two-tone tan and green. Still using it and not looking to change.
Larger and weaker
A painter isn’t really there to rescue the boat from a pin. Get a larger, weaker rope. Something in the 3/8 to 1/2 range that floats and has a breaking strength of 50 to maybe 200 lbs. A small line that is strong can cut into your hands or any other body part if you get entangled. A larger, weaker rope will do the job, be more comfortable, and break before tearing limbs off if things get really bad in moving water.
Entanglements aren’t likely, but if they do, you don’t want a thin strong line wrapped around you.
jim
Yeah, but if you know how to tie knots,
… tying a knot is much faster than threading a length of rope through a loop as a means of attachment.
no it is not …
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..... and it's more difficult to unattach a knotted rope as oppossed to the loop attach as well .
Depending on the size of the loop you have , you can pass the intire length of rope through the loop in a couple seconds without the need to consider it any further (think about it) ...
A quick loop attach is secure to the point of being nearly impossible to come apart or fail , short of the rope breaking .
A loop attach also has multi purpose function . Here's just one of many examples , say you want to get your rope attached to something over head but out of reach , but you are able to toss the loop end of the rope over the object ...
another is the ability of the loop to act as a pully doubling the amount of pulling force afforded the puller ...
another , the loop attach is an extremely fast , strong and relieable connection for joining two ropes together to increase length for an expected load situation ... both rope looped ends join through each other ...
another , think of dock lines and boat cleats ... put that on steriods and think of ships dock lines and cleats with 2' (or larger) rope (try tying a knot in one of those) ...
The knot that can compromise the breaking strength of a rope , can be virtually eliminated with the loop attach . The loop attach can double the abrassion resistence etc. , at the attach point , meaning two thicknesses of rope by default rounding the attachment point .
Using a loop attach is about as easy , convenient , safe and secure as it gets .
I'm a firm believer in having the ability to tie up some good knots when they are needed , and I use a few as well . But the loop attach for one end of the rope can't be beat in 99 out of a hundred situations .
Steve…
Sounds like a Diamond Brand. Originally sewn in NC, then moved across the pond, and tehn dies. I sold them as an alternative to Eureka Timberlines in the late 70s - pole systems were more advanced, quality marginally better at the time. Good tents!
Jim
Yellow is the color
of yuppies?
“Muffy, shall we take the yellow Beemer or the yellow Range Rover to the tennis club?”
Jim