Recommendations for a river tourer kayak

Hey pnet brains, wanna tap into the hive mind here.

I’m looking for a kayak to use for some 2-5 day river trips. These would be benign rivers (I hope!), Class 1, 1+ stuff
I have my beloved CD Prana (glass), but do not want to risk scraping and bouncing it off rocks or in low water.

So, I think my criteria are:

  • Plastic
  • 13-15 ft long
  • Hopefully not too far over 50lb weight
  • Not a total barge - some stability is fine, but I’m capable of staying upright!
  • Space for up to 5 days of gear
  • Ideally in the $1000-$1500 range new. Used would be OK too.
  • Speed is not super important, since I’ll be exclusively going with the flow. Lakes and ocean will be with my Prana

I’m 5’11" and 168lb, so “medium”.

I’ve researched the WS Tsunami 145, but I think it might be too boring/barge-like.
Looking also at the Perception Carolina 14 or Conduit 13 - the latter may fit me better?

I know there are others out there, but often seem to be pricey (eg. P&H Delphin 15) or just harder to find than hen’s teeth.

All thoughts and comments gratefully received, my friends!

I had a Delphin and agree that would work (with it’s rocker profile), though it’s a bit over 50 lbs. I currently have Dagger Stratos 14.5s. Little shorter but also rockered like Delphin, tho’ a tad bit shorter and lighter. The older Dagger Alchemy (pre-Stratos) would also work. For newer, Look at the P&H Virgo. (These boats can all do double duty as surf and rockplay boats in the ocean.)

Of course, you can also go with the “longer” (sub 13’) river running crossover kayaks, e.g. Dagger Axis, Liguid Logic RemixXP, Dagger Stratos 12.5, etc.

-sing

Look at the Dagger Katana 10.4 It’s a crossover boat, WW capable but with a drop skeg for eating up flat-water conditions.

Or in Liquid Logic, the Remix XP 10

Jackson used to have one in their line up but no more.

depends on how much Play you want in a river runner. The WS Tsunami 145, isn’t too bad I have one. but it’s more of a river cargo hauler than a play boat.

I havent done any kayak trips so I dibt want to recmmend any boats, other than pointing out features. While the 145 Tsunami isn’t noted for speed, it’s more than adequate if you’re planni g to go with the river flow. I frequently paddle upstream in a local river against moderate current, untol the bottom starts to drag. The bulk won’t detract from your speeds floating with the current. Several features of the boat would be in your favor.

Positive features include the large hold volume and carrying capacity. Displacement is displacement - so both a narrow and wide boat will displace virtually an equal amount of water with the same load, but the narrow hull will sink deeper; the question is whether there are narrow channels or shallows to contend with (the older models are 24.5 inches wide, compared to the models ar sone point after 2020 or 2021. The roomy cockpit would allow you freedom to shift around. Solid primary stability would give you the freedom to enjoy your surrounding without the concern for balance in a tippier boat. The 145 is easy to handle for its length. The 125 is more manuverable but the 26 inch width could be an issue in negotiating tight passages.

Might want to do some online searches for a used Venture Easky 15 LV. I’ve had one for 15 years and it ticks all your boxes and is definitely not as barge-y or boring as a Tsunami or Conduit. Venture is actually a division of P & H so it shares heritage with the Delphin 15 – they were made in the UK and build quality is quite nice for a rotomold kayak.

It’s a shame they discontinued the Easky about 6 or 7 years ago (replacing it with the chubbier, shorter and heavier Islay 14) because the Easky’s a very versatile kayak. I have paddled it in the coastal Atlantic, the Great Lakes and many rivers including the upper Hudson, Susquehanna, Allegheny, Monongahela, lower Youghiogheny and even some twisty rocky moderate Class 1 and 2 streams in PA like Red Bank and the Black Moshannon.

Perfect for your size being low volume and weighs around 45 lbs, so easy to load and transport, Nicely outfitted with a comfortable seat with convertible back that folds down to become a backband or up for lounging on a slow float or fishing. Tracks well, very nimble with the hard chines, 21" beam and semi-Greenland shape. It can even be Greenland rolled, though it has great secondary stability and is not easily capsized.

Has nice details like the paddle retainer bungee and hook along the gunwale and a steel bar for a security cable molded into the deck. Adequate amount of cargo room in the bow and stern hatches – mine have always stayed dry. Most Easkys came with a skeg – mine did not but I have never felt I needed it – it does have the molded in pin socket and all the openings for cabling in a rudder if I wanted to add one.

It’s one of the 15 or so touring kayaks I have owned over the past 22 years and the only one I would never give up. I have kayaks that are lighter, some that are faster, some with more cargo capacity – but none has the overall versatility and ruggedness – in fact it is the only rotomold kayak that I have kept over the years (the others in my fleet are composite or skin on frame) – I passed the other poly boats along to others because they were heavier and not as fun to paddle.

I have kept an eye out for Easkys on the resale market over the years since many of the friends and family to whom I have loaned mine really enjoy the comfort and agility of the model and several have bought them since. They usually show up once or twice year here in the Northeast for between $500 and $750.

Another one, if you can find it (a really rare bird) would be the Perception rotomold version of the 15.5’ Avatar they produced in the early 2000’s. I have its sister boat, a 2004 vintage composite Avatar 16 that is a completely sweet skegged boat, also lower volume and with Greenland lines. They are scarce – never seen one on the used market but you never know what might turn up. If I ever found one I might be tempted – it would be nice to have a plastic version of the Avatar that I didn’t have to worry about scratching up like the fiberglass one.

ADDED: I just ran a Facebook Marketplace search within 500 miles of where I live (Pittsburgh PA) and no less than 4 Easkys turned up for sale! Ranged from $300 in Spotsylvania, VA, (missing a hatch and seat) to one in Arlington, MA for $900 including a paddle, Astral v8 PFD and all the safety gear.

Also a, Venture Skye, which was the Easky predecessor, in Hudson Falls, NY for $400. A bit longer at 17’ but more cargo room.

I love my Dagger Charleston 15 I bought in 2023 for $300. They also made a Charleston 14.

Mine easily carried 5 days of food & gear (about 70#) last year on river camping trips; the rocker was great for maneuvering through zones with lots of fallen trees; the skeg keeps it going straight on clear sections; the cockpit is huge and easy to get in and out of (important for both dry-foot and wet-foot landings when portaging fallen trees in the wild); and it’s tough.

For a river with tight sections and obstacles, a boat with rocker and a skeg is better than a rudder. I originally bought a Carolina 14 with rudder and didn’t like it, so I resold it and bought the Charleston. I have never regretted it.

It’s clear that GMTA since we both chose a CD Prana so perhaps you will be interested in my choice of “throw and go” boat - Eddyline Sitka LT.

I’ve done several 5 day trips in my Sitka - Suwannee River when multiple shoals will be scrapped over, and use it as my day trip - log hopper - Slave Canal / Wacissa River.

Coming from my Prana I wanted a plastic boat that would be both durable AND fun (read: maneuverable). The Sitka has a nice rocker profile that rewards your strong edging skills learned in your Prana. It also has a skeg that I primarily use for when I want to drink water or take photos. And, it weighs 49lbs.

I’ve fitted mine with the Eddyline backband. It’s not a real back band in that it is mounted to a stalk on the seat pan but, it does provide control for strokes and edging. Because the back band is monted on the stalk you will have to modify a lay back roll a bit as you can’t really lay too far back.

Isn’t the Eddyline extruded multi-layer Carbonlite more vulnerable to damage than rotomold poly? Beautiful boats, but would not be my first choice for rocky shallow river tripping.

I believe even the company points this out. OP specifically wants a boat they "do not want to risk scraping and bouncing it off rocks or in low water.

Venture Easky 15 LV specs

Yes, Eddylines are not as tough as poly boats. But they are plenty tough for anything that you would do in a touring kayak.

All, thank you so much! I knew I’d get great feedback!
I saw an older post that said words to the effect that “choosing a new boat is one thing, finding it is quite another”!
Sing, the Dagger Stratos looks like it ticks the boxes, and they have some in stock at a place in VA - about 5 hours drive.
Wormdevil - my Prana-brother! You make a good point and after all, I will not be actively seeking out rocks to bounce off! The new price on the Eddylines is a bit higher but I do like those boats (my parter has a cute little Eddyline Rio, which she loves). Hmmmmm.
The Easky 15 looks good too - from a quick search I’d be in good shape if I still lived in the UK, but need to look more, Willowleaf. Your search seemed promising! Likewise for the Charleston - might be tough to find and perhaps the Stratos would be more likely.

So…what to do?! A bit more research and looking for available used or new, plus deciding how much $ pain I can accommodate! I’ll keep you posted. Thank you all so very much!

Maybe a long drive for you…

-sing

Yeah, probably. The place in VA, Appomattox River Co, actually has the Stratos and the Sitka, and probably other candidates too. I might have to road trip next week!

My Easky 15LV is 5 pounds lighter than that spec (weighed on 2 different scales). They did take some weight out of my model year (2011) by changing some of the outfitting from the earlier version. Mine doesn’t have a skeg and has the lighter sling type seat and backband.

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