Rock Garden - Can Be Tough For Composites

Tony M, from RI Canoe and Kayak Assoc (RICKA) posted a video of his Tsunami getting beatened (hopefully not destroyed) in a rock garden. (Tony used to post on PNet as “Tsunami X15” in keeping with his two favorite Tsunami X15 boats - a double and a single). He was out with the RICKA rock and surf play contingent and had backup as he limped back to the launch.

The video reaffirmed my decision to add back on a plastic longboat, Dagger Stratos 14.5, after I got my “dream” longboat, the Sterling Kayaks Progression. As much as I love the way the Progression handles in rough water, if I expect to play in rocks, I leave it at home in favor of the plastic Stratos. My Stratos has also been outfitted with an electronic bilge pump since I am playing alone 99% of the time.

Things to consider.

-sing

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There are reasons why WW kayaks are Roto-Molded. As I have up-graded from kayak to kayak I decided there will ALWAYS be at lest one good roto-molded kayak in my collection.

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Ease of manufacturing and cost are two reasons. There are plenty of high-end, composite WW boats out there. EJ molds several for playboating. Every plastic boat also starts as a composite proto, and are consistently paddled by very competent paddlers in demanding conditions. The lighter weight and stiffer hulls are hard to beat. I definitely prefer them for much of my boating. If you go someplace where there are a lot of good paddlers - as in places where there is a US Team Center of Excellence - you will see more. Squirt boats are also exclusively composite.

From the less than helpful point of view that the video was shot it looks like, from the low angle paddle stroke, that the paddler was intimidated and just gave up. They never really took control of their boat, instead the boat took control of them.

Yup 2 excellent and outstanding reasons.
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Ouch!

I’ve seen rock gardening paddlers in similar situations with a lot more paddling to correct it.

What are the noises the paddler is making? It sounds / looks like an inexperienced paddler. I have been recorded making a bit more colorful language in similar situations.

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All I can say is that I’ve paddle surfed with Tony along time ago with him in his shorter X15. He is/was experienced and can handle himself well in textured water. I don’t know about the context of this particular situation, except that he was paddling his 20’ long double Tsunami by hImself. For sure a harder boat to manuever in tight quarters. Not sure what else was happening. But we are both also 20 years older and neither of us were spring chickens when we first met. I know I can’t and don’t take on some of the challenging stuff I did back then.

-sing

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I didn’t realize it was 20’ !

Tsunami X-2 Double Kayak:

  • The X-2 is a 20-foot long, 28.5-inch wide wash-deck double kayak designed for extreme sea kayaking.
  • It features seatbelts and a rudder controlled from either cockpit, allowing it to be paddled as a single or double.
  • The X-2 is known for its stability and is even used for taking photos in the surf zone.
  • It’s built ruggedly with Kevlar and weighs 90 pounds, with four hatches for ample storage.
  • The X-2 is designed for speed and can be paddled as a single, with the rear cockpit preferred for surfing to avoid broaching.

Other Tsunami Ranger Boats:

  • The X-15 is a popular all-around kayak suitable for surfing, rock gardens, and expeditions.
  • The X-O is a smaller, nimble kayak designed for rock gardens.
  • The X-3 is a double kayak that can also be used for expeditions or as a three-person boat.
  • The X-C is a narrow, faster ocean white water kayak
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Stay out of the rocks. You have a choice.
On a river it is a different story.

I saw that and cringed. What a bummer.

I have paddled with Tony in that boat - rock gardening at Fort Wetherill in Jamestown, RI

He is a very experienced sea kayaker. I am not, and was even less when that video was taken. You can hear him grunt a few times in this video as well. :wink:

Here he is last month in that boat in calmer water.

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Not sure why he preferres to paddle a 20’ tandem as a solo rather than his 15’ solo versions. Here he is in one of his solo boats.

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His timing was a little off going through the shoot in the video that Sing posted, and he paid the price.

It is a composite boat, so hopefully he’ll be able to get it fixed.

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Around here it is all about going into the rocks - that’s the fun. RICKA does training classes on rock gardening. I took one a couple of years ago when I first got my sea kayak.

They are also very good about rescue/incident management training

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I’ve been out only once with the RICKA surf and rock play contingent in the last two years. But I know and respect the “practice and safety” culture and have kept my RICKA membership up to date for that reason (and the fact that RI has a lot of the play venues that interest me).

When you play in textured water, things can and will happen. Simply, without that risk, it would be “flat water” paddling. I prefer some adrenaline and thrill.

-sing

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Three things I remember from the rock gardening class that you need to consider when playing in the rocks

  • First, what is the route and can I run it in my boat.
  • Second, is there enough water and will it be deep enough for the time needed to complete the run.
  • Third, will I have enough time to get through before the next wave hits.

Looks like Tony got hung up on the third item. Sh*t happens.

I prefer and emphasis skill acquisition to my students and instructor candidates, and drill The Four Questions:

  1. What are the moves to get from point A to Point B?
  2. Do I have the ability to make the moves?
  3. What are the consequences if I don’t?
  4. Am I wiling to accept the consequences?
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Next time I am out east I am going to ave to try to connect with RICKA for a rock paddle. @eckilson and @sing - may ask for an introduction at that time.

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Structural Integrity Is Often On the Rocks
(or The Meta-Conglomerate Schist Has Hit the Man)

With I before T
thenst adding end E,
and epoxy one moxies midst rock.

But light for lithe host
now sits near compost,
“I-I-I,” and “E-Gad!” dropped in shock.

Mannnn, that’s a beautiful boat, and I can’t imagine how some boat repair shop’s able composite repair worker is going to access those tight, inner rounded spaces to repair the torn aramid fabric. God bless the open canoe (save maybe some end tank and stem areas), where both sides can be more easily accessed, fared, fitted, epoxied and sanded. I had a falling 3" diameter Tulip Poplar limb impale the underside of my racked Wenonah Voyager Kevlar mid-hull about 1-1/2 years back, and that fairly clean hole (some cracked folding inward of about an additional inch beyond the 3" diameter hole) still required nearly a 1-foot square patch layer, plus smaller patches layered beneath along with foam core repair. I’m suspecting they may have to open that X-2 completely along its hull meets washdeck seam to lay in ample patching of those gashed holes.

Still, depending on the type of impact, the striking surfaces material and shape (Your schist may very), I’ve had some rather good success with my composite canoes running and poling through rocky streams and rivers. My 1991 Mad River Explorer in mostly S-Glass (with E-Glass and some other small fabric piecing in the stems - maybe carbon or an earlier version of some volcanic basalt-based fabric - even with its fine, v-keel, has withstood hundreds of miles of sandstone and gneiss gnawing and scraping at it, travelling along my home rivers of Patapsco, Gunpowder, and Potomac. A few significant bow quarter boulder-bangs, too. Recently, I, through my poor helmsmanship, slapped my Northstar B16 made of IXP (basically polyolefin polypropylene woven through aramid [(Kevlar]) down on a surface-pillowed boulder, coming through Owassee on PA’s Pine Creek. One seriously laden (near 370-lbs. of paddler and kit) Prospector-style hull, bow-backwards, rising its snout maybe a foot and a half upwards to THWUMP down mid-hull on I’d guess to be a table rock of perhaps a 2’ square top. Nearly broke my teeth! And I added about 7-to-10 gallons of water over the prow plate. (There’s 50-to-80 more pounds! Somehow, shocked chagrin plastered to my mug, with a low brace and some kind current providence, I spun some sort of eddy-out arc more than turn to river left, there to join my more adept canoeing cohorts, and bail, bail, bail. Later that evening, at camp, with the hull unloaded and beached on shore, I rolled her. There was some impressive new scrimshaw abstractions all over the greyish fabric’s belly, like Michael J. Fox had been handed a Bizzy Buzz Buzz and told, “Autograph seventeen times and you’ll get an Oscar.” BUT, no perforations past those clearcoat squirrel tracks.

And I’d guess there are still plenty of Kaz-made composite whitewater canoes plying frothy Class II to IV byways, their glass-kevlar surfaces adorned with far more etchings than Michael J. could ever produce per seeking Academy kudos. Still, there’s always that one rock, that one broach or badly boofed drop, waiting to tear asunder a hull’s integrity.

But at least in these last five years I’ve been able to take down from yard racks and sling up onto my truck rack at least two canoes that weigh-in at 33-lbs. or less (the IXP boat is a heavy composite, at 65 pounds, like that 11 Explorer glass boat i mentioned, but even that’s about 20 pounds lighter than the ancient Royalex - back when the sheeting was beefier - Uberbot, which 'bout near gave me an all-out, full-set vertebrae fusion, those last few years I hoisted her), and on my downside of sixties, my bad-hip and knees decrepit self has been quite thankful for that. Yes, the Uberbot could take most rocks head-on, and in passing make the rock look like it had been badly beaten in an alley fight with three Tupperware 40-gallon Brut models. But it was killing me, too, with each clean-n-jerk into portage-postured pain.

I get it, and I’m with ya. The sea and the wave break zone midst the granites and not-so-gneiss-guys of outrageous fortune is no place for an open canoe, composite or Rubbermaid (there’s a Charlie Wilson slight for all you petrol polymer paddlers), unless your one damn proficient outrigger trigger with your “Ama Gonna Get-you-thru” on spring-loaded 'iakos. And, apparently, no place to be in a composite kayak, if’n you’re gonna need 'em repaired, at affordable prices. Especially a finely formed composite, SOT, SINK (not, hopefully), or what-have-you!

Oh. Hey Eck! How’s that Kaz composite Outrage working for you so far. Bet it’s a lot nicer lifting her as opposed to its Royalex predecessor?

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The boat has bulkhead hatches, so they should be able to get in and fix it. There is a guy around here who has a lot of experience fixing composite boats banged up on the rocks. :wink:

Haven’t had a chance to get my new composite Outrage out on whitewater yet. Did get it out on flatwater to check the outfitting.

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Took my royalex Outrage up to the Dead River in ME last weekend. Filled up the boat submarining into a hole on the last rapid - Lower Poplar.

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Then dumped going over a rock into a big hole a little further downstream - me and my boat swimming out.

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Not a pleasant swim, but we both made it through relatively undamaged. I either need a pump, or to practice paddling with the boat full of water.

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What a nightmare trip! I would never do a paddle like that!

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