When you get it, we may say we
Saw yer Loon-ey decked canoe.
Interesting that the Clipper didn’t enter into discussion.
Well…
First off thanks for your kind words, Coronaboy and congratulations to you and your son as well.
On the Magic…okay that does sound a bit eccentric.
Actually I really like the Magic a lot and had one in Black Gold with aluminum rails that I JUST sold.
I had decided that it was a boat I was ACTUALLY going to keep because I liked it as a sit and switch boat, but that I really wanted wood rails. I much prefer the look and feel of wood gunwales and hate that clanking noise the paddle shaft makes when it hits aluminum.
I found a “used” but never paddled Magic on the classified ads here for a great price. I decided to jump on it and then sell my Magic. This was just a few weeks ago. I have not yet paddled it because I have a severe overuse injury in my wrist (tendonitis from paddling too much) and am forced to rest it right now.
This is after I had already jumped on that Loon. The Loon seemed like a great boat that would only pop up rarely and figured I needed to give it a shot at least, but I had some reservations about it since I already have so many boats and started wondering if I really needed the Loon, especially since it seems to fill a similar nich to the Magic.
Having so many boats and moving soon I decided maybe I should pare down my fleet and from what I have read about the Loon it seems more appropriate to keep over the Magic since I think that it will do everyhting the Magic can do and do it better.
So there is a long explanation about the new Magic I am selling. It was too good a deal to pass up and I figured I could always turn around and get my money back out of it. Same with the Loon since it is so rare.
Although I will admit that I am slightly reluctant to sell the Magic before even getting the Loon. There is some risk there in the event the Magic sells and I don’t like the Loon, but I will take a gamble on that one.
I fully admit being a bit of a lunatic when it comes to boats. But it’s okay.
I end up with some boats that I really, really like in the end and know so because I have compared them very thoroughly to other boats.
I have always found with kayaks that you almost have to paddle them for a solid month or more and in varying condiitons before you really, really know what you think about a boat. A mere test paddle at the shop isn’t really enough time for you to get to know a boat.
I do a lot of time researching boats, then do a lot of time waiting or looking for one to pop up used and then jump on it. I paddle them for a long enough time to make a true assessment of them. And then if I don’t want to keep them I sell them to make room for another.
It is a bit exhausting but it ends up making me happy in the end.
Matt
Changing boats often will make your
end happy.
Once you get it…take a few pics…
bowler1,
If, when you get the Loon, sometime can you take a few pics…speaking for myself(and maybe some others), I’ve never seen one, nor can I remember seeing one online…
Would highly appreciate…
$.01
What kind of reassurance do you need?
B1. Look. You’re chronically posting ‘is this boat right for me’ threads. There has got to come a time when you start having confidence in your own opinion and stop over analyzing every detail of every boat on the market.
I guess I could be a jerk again by saying this. But I really feel in your case the boats aren’t the problem, it’s your own confidence (or lack thereof) that prompts so many hull type questions.
Or maybe I am wrong, and you’re more like a wine or single malt connoisseur, wanting input on the nuances of a hull.
But eventually it’s got to come to a point where you just paddle the shit out of whatever you have.
Best wishes, only meant as food for thought.
Loon
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I owned one once years ago when I first switched from local ponds-lakes to big lakes and the open ocean paddling. I got caught off of Peggy's Cove in Nova Scotia with it and at that time had little to no big water experience. I was ignorant and ill pre pared to deal with large breaking waves. It was a day in which the boat and its' design did more to save my ass then my paddling skill set could have. This boat will be a bit of a big water Magic and the Magic is the best solo boat I have paddled to date. Even though the Loon, Monarch and Krugers' latest design are meant to be big water tripping boats, you might find it the ticket (for now as we all know how you like to explore different designs) for the specific paddling conditions that you want it for.
well
It is interesting that I receive such flak for my boat choices / changes. I appreciate your comments at least being polite.
Frankly it is interesting that I come across as lacking in confidence. That would hardly be the case. Nor do I need reassurance from others to reinforce my decisions.
In this particular case I am asking for some input because I am making a decision without having enough time to make one myself due to timing and an injury.
As I stated above I am moving. I can only take so many canoes with me (movers won’t take them) and I own numerous composite canoes and kayaks so paring down my fleet will also free up some capital which is always good too.
Generally speaking though I ask questions here on the basis of research…getting initial opinions prior to buying a boat. Just like you would do when buying a new car, right?
Then I get a boat and I do paddle the crap out of it. I have paddled almost 7 days a week for the last year….all winter when it is down in the low 20s and on days with winds above 30 knots…in rain…and in the snow too.
Maybe I also look at things from the perspective of my profession…I am an Army officer and currently work in acquisition. We develop the requirements for new equipment, develop / procure it, test it, and then field it.
This is an over-simplification of the process we follow when buying new (commercially available) equipment.
After looking at what you want to accomplish and capabilities you want to have you compare with you current capabilities. The difference between the two represents a capability gap.
To fill the capability gap you then do an analysis to determine if there are other ways to fill the gap other than a new materiel solution….you look at potential changes to doctrine, personnel, etc. If a new materiel solution is required then you start another process.
You do initial market research to look to see if there are potential candidate systems that exist that can fill your capability gap. Once you then have done that you can make INFORMED decisions about candidate materiel solutions which you then test thoroughly under various operationally realistic conditions.
Once you have done that all the results of the testing must be thoroughly analyzed and evaluated and presented to decision makers.
Then and only then can you make a decision about which system to go with which takes into account lots of different decision criteria to include performance, cost, supportability, etc.
But….during all this process a lot of times the original requirements change (much like may happen with me and my needs for a boat as I refine the actual use and application that I will use the boat for, or other boats in my fleet change).
This is not much different from the process I follow with boats and it works for me. Through self-discovery and experience I refine the needs I have and seek ways to fill those needs. I do my market research here on pnet and gather initial information. I then can make informed decisions and do my own testing and arrive at my own decisions.
It works for me.
I’m not sure why everyone is so critical of the way that I do this.
Trust me….I am not lacking in self confidence….nor do I not do enough paddling.
I am very intense paddler and a perfectionist
Moving to Northern NJ?
Picatinny Arsenal? Look me up when you get here. I can show you around.
Andy
armchair psychoanalysis
Sure seems to be the strong suit of a lot of folks on the board, and it is always amazing at how much better folks do at managing other people’s lives than they do their own.
It is your money and your life. I can think of a lot less pleasant ways to spend them than messing around with boats.
I know you like the Magic, and I’m confident you will like the Loon. If you don’t, just drop it off at my house and forget you ever had it. It’s the least I can do to alleviate the pain and suffering in the world, and I will do it out of the goodness of my heart - it won’t cost you a single penny. Same offer holds true for the Magic.
Loon
I have a Sea Wind that been used twice in four years , day trips . It did
get a good kick in shipping and I did some gell coat repairs . Why this
boat is hard to sell is a puzzle . I have a few injuries that make it hard to
paddle . I can relate to the guy who buys a lot of boats and then sells them . Male impulse type buying I think .John
Holy shit C…
you’re the biggest attempter on this site… you spend more time telling posters what and where they should be posting to …if that’s not somewhat an attempt to control , what is…?
That’s g2d not c2g
You got him mixed up!
I agree with c2g
Do what you want and more power to you. I’ve often marveled at your acquistions and your analysis of the boats you’ve bought. Good for you.
I suspect I’ll see you on the NJ waters soon.
Andy
AND TOTALLY sorry for that…
please excuse my mistake C2g…
THANK YOU…
A sincere thanks to those above who offered some words of support for my boat additionction.
Not everyone has to agree with how I buy and sell boats but I sure do get tired of people criticizing me for it.
It works for me. Your results may differ…
thanks
Matt
SEA WIND
IS your sea wind forsale?
details.
thanks
well
It’s probably more true than I’d care to admit. And it was good for my ego - I didn’t think anyone read my posts. At least if someone is kind enough to tell me I’m a jerk I know they read the post. Y’all are probably just trying to give my ego a boost LOL
to tell the truth
I’d be a lot less bitchy about it if you’d give me some of the rejects. Not sayin’ you’d be better off getting on my good side - my wife, kids, and co-workers seem to think I’m so mellow it doesn’t make any difference - but it wouldn’t hurt to give it a try. And if you don’t feel better the first time, just keep trying until you feel that warm glow in your heart that lets you know you did a good thing LOL
There is a pristine Sawyer Loon…
1983 model but looks brand new, for sale at Blue Mountain Outfitters in Marysville. Nicest condition I’ve seen for a 83 Loon, barely a scratch on it, no rudder but an awesome boat. www.bluemountainoutfitters.net
loon
This is the first time I have ever responded to anything on the internet,I have an original loon,if you have one you don’t have to explain anything.