Hello, folks. I’m working on an attempt to build a beavertail paddle by hand, and am a little stuck on the finish. In the past I’ve always used spar varnish for such projects, but now it seems hard to come by. I remember reading a couple of places in the past that varnish was preferable to plyurethane, since the poly tended to microfracture and wick water in over time. Is the spar polyurethane any better in this application? I know that there are accomplished paddle makers here on the board- what’s your opinion of the spar poly (which is much easier to find now) as a paddle finish? Thanks for your input! Happy paddling, Regan
Helmsman spar urethane
It has a more pliable finish. The trade off is it’s softer and can dent easier.
go with varnish
as the other poster said it is softer and is ultimately a less durable finish.
Looking at your profile you live in SW Virginia. There are a many Home Depots/Lowes in your area that carry spar/marine varnish.
Home Depot: Christiansburg, Roanoke, Bristol area
Lowes: there are about 11 from Roanoke west.
There is also the woodcraft store in the Bristol area.
I use this stuff - cheap, readily available, good end result. You can also buy it online, just do a google search for McCloskey spar varnish
oil based spar
I have used both and continue to return to an oil-based spar varnish instead of a polyurethane. Spar is a softer, more flexible finish and paddles and canoes are flexible items. Spar does not seem to check, crack or chip as easily as polyurethane, giving a longer lasting barrier. The only drawback I see is when it comes to refinishing time. The softer spar is much harder to remove by sanding than the polyurethane because it gums up your abrasives pretty fast. I use a fairly cheap spar made by Benjamin Moore Company called Impervo 440. It is generally around $9.00 a quart. I have used it with excellent results on paddles and woodstrip canoes. Any store stocking Benjamin Moore products can get this for you if they don’t have it on hand.
I never expected so much input so quickly. As Mike says, none of the big home-improvement stores around here carry the spar varnish anymore, nor do any of the smaller Mom-and-Pop ones that I’ve been in lately. The varnish has always worked well for me in the past (I prefer the subtle glow of oil-finished wood on most things, but oils don’t seem to last or protect well on paddle blades). I’ll check out the leads you’ve given me- I really appreciate your input. You folks are great! Take care, Regan
making it last
The best way to finish a paddle for ruggedness and long lasting finish is to coat it with epoxy resin first and then varnish. With the resin you can beef up the edges a bit by adding a silica filler. Epoxy is an excellent substrate for varnish, both oil and polyurethane based. Often the epoxy coating if well applied seem pretty enough, but epoxies need to be protected from UV light to maintain a clear finish. Most spar varnishes these days will do that. I have paddles treated this way that I have not refinished down to wood in 16 years. I touch up the varnish occasioally. I use than hard and often. You can buy epoxy resins in small quantities these days and I would recommend that if you are only finishing paddles. Shelf life is is not great for epoxies.
Any one epoxy better than another?
I had thought about a thin coat of epoxy, but didn’t know that varnish would stick to it very well. Being a beavertail this is to be a thin, light paddle for deep water. It SHOULDN’T (G) see many rocks, so I don’t want to load it up with coatings and make it heavy, but one coat (or two thinned coats) of epoxy would make me feel better about it. Is the home-improvement-store stuff in two tubes okay, or should I splurge on some West System packets? Should it be thinned somehow to penetrate the wood deeper on the first coat? Thanks again! Regan
Tough to Find Spar Varnish
I bought a custom Otter tail paddle last year and the maker recommended Spar Varnish. The Home Depot, Lowes, Woodcraft, trail here did not lead to any. Finally while looking for something else at an Ace Hardware I found some. This was after they told me they didn’t have it and tried to sell me polyurethane. I explained that the paddle maker told me polyurethane wouldn’t adhere to his finish. Then I kept scanning the shelf until I turned up the ACE brand Spar Varnish ACE 16375. They ought to be able to get it for you I’d think. It seems to be working fine so far.
It certainly went on easier than the Minwax “Clearshield” I used on another project recently. Maybe I got a bad can, but it was the consistancy of pancake syrup and of course the can said “Thining not recommended.” It was either thin it or daub it on with a putty knife!
Either one can work. Here’s why.
First off, the difference between traditional varnishes and polyurethanes is that the former uses natural oils and resins and the latter uses at least some synthethetic components. However, they are ALL still varnish.
Spar varnishes, whether natural or poly’, are formulated for extra flexibility. As long as you use a spar varnish it should work fine, regardless of which type you choose. Polyurethane varnishes tend to be tougher and more durable, but there’s enough variation between manufacturer’s formulations that there’s no hard and fast rule.
I would recommend a good epoxy resin usually used for boatbuilding. It is clear, easy to apply. The stuff in the tubes at the haedware is usually grey and is used as a glue or filler, not a coating. W.E.S.T, MAS, System Three, RAKA are all pretty good. Make sure you clean it up good after it hardens to get the waxy blush off the surface before finish sanding. It will clog up sand paper and cause problems with the varnish as well. I usually clean it off with denatured alcohol. The is some discussion about allowing the epoxy to cure for an extented time(up to a week) before varnishing. Epoxy cures to a mostly hard state in a few hours, but than continues curing slowly over time. I have in the past had varnish that took a week to harden when I applied it over epoxy applied the day before. I was in a hurry!
I use System Three Spar Urethane varnish, it is pricy but works great. Have tried Helmsman, Zar and Rustolium brand exterior, UV protected varnishes to save some money, but went back to the System Three.
Some varnish doesn’t work well with epoxy, if the can says cures in 4 hours and it’s still tacky in 4 days, they aren’t liking each other.
Summary of above plus my two cents worth
1. DO NOT thin epoxy - every manufacturer will tell you that it is formulated to work correctly out the pot and should not be thinned. Apply it in warm conditions to get it to flow thin - and use one formulated for coating. If applied in 70F and up you will not suffer from the waxy bloom that prevents further coating.
2. “Spar” varnish is pretty much a marketing term these days - used by Home marketing orientated varnish makers to make you think you are getting something that you are not. You are probably getting a pretty traditional shellac based varnish.
3. It is correct you want a flexible film on an item that will flex. Traditional shellac based and “traditional” one pot polyurethanes are better in this respect.
4. The more expensive marine based varnishes include far more U/V inhibitors than “home”" based products. U/V inhibitors slow down the breakdown of the varnish film, and the all important surface woodfibres which help the varnish adhere to the wooden substrate. On the paddle tha goes back in the car or bag at day end this is perhaps less important - on the hull of the boat -that may stow outside or in a windowed garage - this is vital.
5. If you epoxy coat first then you MUST varnish as epoxy has virtually no U/V resistance and will chalk and fail very quickly.
6. Two-pot varnishes perform extremely well - but as noted by someone else are hard and will tend to fracture on an item that flexes a lot. I also do not believe that many home builders have the means to apply two-pot safely which is actually pretty injurious to your health. See http://graemejwsmith.com/kayaks for more on this.
Sorry about the chemistry lesson but
I doubt that any mass produced varnish is manufactured these days using 100% natural products.
If you can forgive the basic chemistry lesson however I hope to clarify matters.
Originally varnishes were made from natural resins & vegetable oils.
The natural resins were obtained directly from trees( e.g. Rosin), dug up as fossil resins (e.g. Copal & Kauri) or were a result of a type of insect sexual activity (shellac) As can be imagined the demand for varnishes over the last 50 years or so meant that the demand for natural resins far outstripped the supply. The quality of the natural resins would also vary greatly.
The vegetable oils used are those having double bonds in the molecule which react with atmospheric oxygen to dry into a film. Linseed or Soya oils are typical examples.
For the last 50 years the natural resins have been replaced by synthetic resins of the type known as “alkyds”. These are produced from by products of the petrochemical industry such as phthalates & polyols. These are reacted together to form a resin. These resins are very brittle and only soluble in polar solvents such as alcohol. If during the reaction process oils such as linseed or Soya are included the result is a compound that can be used as a varnish when thinned with a hydrocarbon solvent such as white spirit.
The hardness and flexibility of the varnish depends on the quantity of oil included in the reaction. Higher the oil the more flexible but less hard.
Drying of the varnish depends on the number of double bonds in the oil molecule. These react with oxygen to form bonds with adjacent oil molecules eventually forming a dry film.
Polyurethane is a term used when isocynates are included in the product. In the case of air drying polyurethane varnishes the vegetable oil is reacted with isocynates & polyols instead of the phthalates & polyols. This gives chemical bonds that are superior for chemical & water resistance. The drying mechanism is identical however
There are various other types of polyurethanes that dry or “cure” by different mechanisms. These are:
Two components where the isocynate is mixed with a polyol prior to use. These have limited pot life and must be used within a short period of mixing.
Moisture cure (usually adhesives or sealants) where the product reacts with atmospheric moisture and must be kept in sealed containers prior to use.
I apologise if I have bored anyone but there is so much misunderstanding & also marketing nonsense about coatings I felt the need to illuminate these points.
I’m happt to be educated
regarding the chemistry. That said I think my real world points are still valid.
PS - Shellac is still fairly readily available at low cost. Once they stopped making 78’s out of it the beetles (whose body’s were used to create it) stll fly around and are harvested for furniture “French Polish”.
Good info, thank you. N/M
Check out Duron…
Paints. I’ve seen it in their stores before. I would imagine that it’s a little cheaper there than in a marine store.
Lots of good information!
I, for one, really do appreciate the information and explanations. I always like to know the “why” and “how” of things, as well as the “what”. Many thanks, take care! Regan
I bought a gallon of McClusky Man O’ War spar varnish for around $45.00 at the Dulux paint store.
Graemesmith is correct about the health risks involved in using epoxy resins. Allowing these resins onto bare skin can cause “sensitisation” Once aquired this is incurable and further contact with even minute amounts can lead to acute dermatitis.
2 pack polyurethanes can cause similar skin “sensitisation” issues.
A further concern involves spraying such products without proper ventilation and wearing an air fed mask (a normal filter mask is not sufficient) as the “sensitisation” effect of the atomised material if breathed will lead to asthma. A further exposure could then trigger an acute attack with the possibility of death !