Rip
was actually one of the first full planing hulls, though a discussion/controversy about who thought of it first… Spike or Corran…
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just to clarify
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1. Edging - yes, it's different between WW and sea paddling, but my point was that knowing how to hold an edge will really speed up your learning process. Most beginner WW swims that I have observed are a direct result of not being able to lift and hold an edge when entering or leaving eddies.
2. Eddy hopping - This applies to pretty much any hull (other than wildwater race boats, which truly are meant to 'bomb down' runs). I know from past posts that you started in an Animas and hated it. Sorry you had a bad experience, but just because you apparently were unable to do anything other than 'bomb down the middle' in that hull doesn't mean that's the default way of paddling a displacement hull.
Just for the record, I think the best boats for teaching beginners WW kayaking these days are the current crop of creek-oriented river runners - Diesel, Mamba, Burn, etc. All of those are stable, easy to roll, and long enough to require at least some intelligence in choosing a line/angle while still being short enough to make quick course corrections when needed.
Rip
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The Rip felt pretty reassurring as far as being stable, responding to bracing, and rolling easily. It seemed to cross eddys well, but felt slow when trying to get somewhere compared to other ww boats I've been in - all of which, I think, may have been longer displacement hulls.
If my feet didn't hurt in the Rip, I might have tried to find one to buy;-)
I can go with that. I would not want to
start anyone in a Prijon Athlete, though after a year in other boats, most would love it.
Inazone for sale
It’s just 2 mths old. $350
Vernon 318/572-8837
Good price - too far to drive…
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Inazone
what size or model is it. and would you be able to ship it
Inazone 230
Well lets get back to the original question. What kayak should I buy. I have found and Inazone 230 but it has a dent on the front nose. It doesn’t leak but will it affect the performance. Remember I’m just getting back into kayaking and looking mostly for a river runner. Will a 230 fit a small woman,5’ 105lbs. or is it more my size 5’9" 155lbs
Pyrnaha discontinud website shows
two Inazones models the 222 and 212, both i would assume are smaller models than 230. the 212 is 39.9 gallons at recommended optimum weigth range of 99 - 217 lbs and 222 at 45.7 gallons at 121 - 266 lbs. The Playak website has some info for the 230 model which shows it at 50 gallons for what should be a higher optimum weight range. Now that i have written this i of course have forgotten your question but for the smaller person you mention that boat will be on the larger side of life.
Dr. Disco says:
“A slalom course is not the same as a river with no gates unless you know the river very well and scout from shore.”
Sorry, doc, I have entered slalom courses without scouting from shore or knowing the river well. It’s just the same. The gate poles only tell you where to direct your attention to read the river.
A slalom course is a very close analog to reading a river on the run, hitting eddies, boat-scouting, adjusting ferry moves on the run, etc.
You say these things to excuse the clear inferiority of modern playboats at doing what slalom boats do. But the fact is, modern playboaters accept some inferiority in the ability to make larger moves across the river as a worthwhile trade for what playboats do on individual waves and in individual holes.
I paddle up, down, and across rivers next to playboaters all the time, and once we are covering distances, even casually without “bombing” down the river, they have no advantage at all.
Kanaka is correct
The 230 is way too big. Here are some other suggestions for someone her size:
Wavesport Siren (only available used)
Wavesport EZG 42 if you have the $ for new
Dagger GT 7.5
Liquid Logic Trigger
Riot Booster 50 (only available used)
If you haven’t done so check out Gear Swap on Boatertalk.com. Most people are willing to put some bubble wrap on a boat and ship it to you. Cost is often $75 or less. If the boat turns out not to be as advertised let the people on the board know.
Modern slalom boat at play
http://www.jacksonkayak.com/jkvideos/jkricochet.mov
Of course, a good paddler can make anything dance, but it sure looks fun to me…
wrong comparison
We are talking about river running playboats, not “playboats”. My Dragorossi Pintail is superior in most ways to any slalom boat. That includes ferrying, catching eddies, and maneuvering. You can even attain in a Pintail. You can use small features and catch smaller eddies. Turning a 13’ slalom boat while maintaining forward momentum is not easy. Why do you think they invented the Dufek?
Gear swap
yes I check it almost daily, thanks
You have not paddled a modern
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slalom boat. I own one. So, how do you pretend to know what they can do?
By the way, the only recent problem I have had in catching tiny eddies, even in my 15' Mad River Synergy, is having people in "river running playboats" drop their jaws in the river when they see me do it.
It's also about technique. What would make you think that longer kayaks, even open boats, can't catch tiny eddies?
And I assure you, a 13 foot boat with a long, flat bottom will fly across fast currents better than a Pintail. It's just hydrodynamics.