What's next, Elk River WV, Ghost River TN, The Rio Grande Box NM, Truckee and Carson River Trip

Well I’m on one trip and planning the next. Mind you, I’m not complaining. While I’m not paddling on my current adventure, the scenery is still pretty good!



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Here’s the upcoming trip plan. Join up for some fun!

April 12, 13 My first stop, the elk river in Webster Springs WV, often crazy weather and water levels, staying for Webster Wild water Weekend, never race, just paddle usually the down elk and lower back fork, class 2 and 3

April16 ghost river tn- a swamp, done this one before as well, attained and went back, but this time will check out a local paddling Facebook group for possible shuttle/paddling partner

Will post more of my plan in comments, typing on the phone is tedious.

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April 19-22 I’m paddling for two days with my bro in NM. Maybe commercial rafting “the box”, catching the Chama above El Vado lake in a seasonal class 2-3 canyon, or maybe we will get whiterock canyon figured out on the Rio. There is also a scenic little lake I want to paddle near espanola. Lots of good choices.

April 24-26 NV/AZ black canyon of the colorado from willow beach. While I’m likely to see others I know I will be the only one camping out of a 12 ww boat. Nobody else is that determined (dumb).

April 28-29 NV East Carson River, me and a buddy and his dog on an overnight.

May 1-5 Truckee River from Tahoe CA to Pyramid Lake NV, waiting on tribal permit for last stretch. Me and a bud in long ww kayaks. Some day trips and some camping to cover the length of the river

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I like how you barely allow your equipment to dry. :+1:

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Crack the windows in the car, spread the wet stuff out, stuff can dry on the way to the next destination

Look at this Itinerary, look at it, it is non stop. Yet @tdaniel has done nothing since November….This is also about the time he met a new Girlfriend…Ahemm.

You can raft the Rio Grande Box.

I used to run the East Fork of the Carson R every year. It is fine in a raft. Few people canoe it. It has only a few dangerous rapids but a very consistent gradient and it is full of rocks. There are few places with slack water. The hot springs is around half way down but it has become popular.

The Truckee River is raft able, but has some difficult rapids. In particular the stretch near Floriston has had some fatal accidents. . The gradient is 100 feet per mile. Keep an eye out for low head dams and do not try to run them. There are at least 2. Many diversion structures to stay away from. Some are marked but some are not. Few people have ever made the whole run from Tahoe to Pyramid Lake. Be ready for some sweepers and woody debris in the spring. There is little information about the trouble spots. I used to do the run below River Ranch near Boca Dam to Reno several times a year. Below Chrissie Caughlin Park the rapids are easier, but there is still a lot of channelization, riprap, diversions man made structures. Few people run below Sparks.

The Colorado River below Willow Beach will be fine in a canoe or kayak.

Thanks for that information. My buddy in NV has experience on both the east Carson and Truckee so that should be a big help as well. I’m actually thinking of heading upstream from willow beach rather than downstream.

Do you have a good roll in your long kayaks? Are you carrying 5 days worth of gear, or will you have a gear raft? Do not take the Truckee lightly.

@tdaniel takes everything lightly…That is why he is @tdaniel.

Bringing a canoe for all of those trips except the Colorado River, would be like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

You need a gun in a gunfight, just like on the street.

So we were denied permit entry above pyramid lake so it will be a somewhat shorter trip. I will get out a couple of times on ww prior to the truckee to knock off the rust. Drysuit will be worn. Biggest ww days I think we are running empty. Roll is suspect, 50 percent chance on fast moving class 3 but normally don’t flip often on class 3 and below. Loaded ww kayaks below reno. Long cold swims are a possibility. My buddy will be the stronger paddler but I’m independent enough to make my own decisions.

What is the criteria for the “ Permit”, why is that stretch restricted?

It runs through res land and a tribal permit is required We applied months ago and were finally denied. Their land and thus their rules. I don’t take it personally. Odds of getting permission would be different if I was a known entity or good ol’ boy they knew

Did you tell them you were @tdaniel ?

Edit: That is strange, I did not think anyone could own a navigable waterway. I didn’t realize tribal laws were so strong.

Don’t run the Truckee River without a dependable roll, especially avoid the area around Floriston. Big hydraulics and 100 feet per mile gradient. Bronco can go to Class IV. The river has a fairly consistent gradient and plenty of boulders. It is not a pool and drop river. There are few places to pull out or easy eddies.

The Pyramid Lake Paiutes are a sovereign nation. They have had problems with managing visitors to the lake and the river for decades. The Lahontan cutthroat trout fishery is very important to them. The lower Truckee is where the fish spawn as do the endangered cui-cui. They manage the lake fishery and have hatcheries. People travel a long way to fish at Pyramid Lake and pay the Tribe fees to be there.

It does not matter if you are a “good ol boy” or not.
People in the East seem to have no concept of western Tribes. The Navajo Res is almost one quarter of the state of AZ. They have their own police, grocery stores, radio stations and laws. They are in a different time zone than the rest of Arizona. Natives have won back plenty of rights in court. The Paiutes have ownership of all of the water in Stampede Reservoir to aid spawning fish.

Someone can own a navigable waterway in Arizona? In Louisiana no one can own a navigable waterway. Maybe it is a State or Federal law that pertains only to Tribal Lands.

State and Federal laws do not pertain to Tribal lands and that is the point.

I had no idea Tribal Laws were so powerful, they supersede State and Federal Law? That means a Tribal Nation is an autonomous State within the United States. I would not think that would be allowed to happen. The Federal Government likes to control everything. There are laws that state Federal Law, even executive orders, supersede State Law. That is strange.