If one was looking for a kit wooden boat for coastline expeditions, looking to carry about a weeks worth of gear and food at a time, no rudder but probably a skeg, set up for a wind paddle sail rig (using a gp as a tiller and rudder)
what suggestions would you make?
I am planning a rather long expedition in Brazil and was initially thinking of a feathercraft khatsalano or other folder but really, it would be far cheaper and easier to make a wooden boat there. This is still a few years away so I have plenty of time to get it completed.
Stitch and glue only as I would have the whole kit and kaboodle shipped down there.
I don’t want a barge but will need to be comfortable so not looking at an ultra low volume boat that I usually gravitate towards. 
any ideas?
decked canoe?
North Wind modeled after a Kruger Seawind
http://www.jemwatercraft.com/proddetail.php?prod=NorthWind
South Wind modeled after Clipper Sea 1
http://www.jemwatercraft.com/SouthWind.php
CLC 17
Paul,
Mine is cavernous. Can carry tons of stuff and still move pretty well. Empty, it is affected by the wind.
Andy
Tern 17…
Going out for a week or two was the plan when I got mine.
Then I decided two nights in a tent was enough for me…
Carries a lot, doesn’t turn as quick as the AT14.
dunno
I seem to remember the arctic tern was pretty big also but it is definitely on the short list. Also looking at the Coho. Looks like the main difference is a multi chine versus a single hard chine?
I wonder which one company has the best rep for ease of building?
Paul
why no rudder?
if you’re considering any kind of sail rig a robust rudder will provide much better control than a paddle leaving the paddle to provide necessary bracing.
I’d make a Pygmy Osprey. Very efficient, roomy, straight tracking. 15’x24". John Lockwood is somewhere down in South America with the same boat (IIRC)
difference
Pygmy describes the differences accurately, the Coho is a faster hull but requires a harder lean to correct for weathercocking.
“ease of building” is somewhat irrelevant
PAUL -COHO’S A BIG, CAVERNOUS
boat that gets blown about by the wind. Friend of ours made one, finally realized it was way too big, and really needed a load to behave in anything but a breeze.
I’d echo question posed re: skudder vs. reg -why the skeg, but no rudder, in a boat that’s at least partially going to be under sail?
Don’t know the sailing rig you’re envisioning -some sort of clip-on keel? batterboards? -but wonder about water depths where you’ll be potentially sailing, and thinking perhaps some sort of lightweight outrigger setup might work better as it’s a lot shallower a method than any keel/batterboard would be. You could also use that sort of setup as a tarp frame when supported at ~45o angle for shelter as well.
You gonna make this thing caiman-, anaconda-, pirhana-, pirarucu-, and native-proof as well as being able to sail and carry a load…???
Well, let us know which way you go, and then send progress pics to your album site when you do the build. And better yet, keep us appraised and amazed as you ply the almighty Amazon when you go down there and
PADDLE ON!
Frank in Miami
it’s great
with 250lbs.
foldable.
I am one third of the way done with the Yost sonnet (I have the sponson sleeves glued and cut and need to drape and glue the hull next. (Hopefully most of that done this afternoon… All the aluminum is done except for the cockpit coaming. I plan on using it down the Rio Negro and the Amazon next July.
I have built a sea rider in wood and that is definitely an option that I want to explore as well. I could build the frames easily enough and ship them down in a box along with the skin, deck rigging, cockpit coaming, etc, and just buy the wood for the gunnels and chines. I could have the forms already varnished and waterproof and would just need to either epoxy or even use brass screws to put the boat together in a day or so. cover the skin with an oil based paint and ready to go.
But there is something about having a beautiful wooden boat I could leave down there that appeals to me.
Paul
I haven’t discounted a rudder either. The sail I have is the windpaddle and it is downwind sailing only and very simple to set up and get rid of while on the water.
Does the name Queen Charlotte
mean anything? Certainly big enough for your requirements.
yes I looked at that one.
seems nice but doesn’t set a fire under me. One Ocean Kayaks Cirrus stitch and glue looks really nice …
paul
I agree
I have a Coho and absolutely love it – it’s my favourite in my fleet of kayaks and it’s a fantastic touring boat. Can’t say I agree with the comments about being blown around in the wind – just doesn’t happen for me (and no, I don’t have a rudder on it).
Dan
http://www.westcoastpaddler.com
KISS
My philosophy for this entire trip. I just want a downwind sail for the times I can use it but I really do plan to paddle mostly. The wind paddle, as limited as it is, will do just fine. Only thing I woudl have to do is arrange a couple of padeyes or small cleats to hold the sheets in place instead of wrapping it around the coaming or me.
Paul
A weeks worth of food and drink???
that’s just a bunch of trips together. Be a real man and I give you some good notes but you’ll have to stay away from those pretty boats.
…but I wish I had one. Damn it.
G_K
GK
while I do plan on camping on the shore every night there will be times where I will have to get provisions. Different animal as there will be no outfiters to sell freeze dried stuff and no grocery stores with cases of beanie weenies. I hope to primarily fish and carry carbs like pasta and potatoes and cassava along the way.veggies and fruits will be critical and would need to be replenished whenever possible.
Paul
Pygmyboats.com
contains a link to an extensive series of build pictures… well worth the look for anyone considering a project like this green.
WEEKS WORTH OF FOOD
in one quick -or, maybe not so quick -shot:
http://www.odyssei.com/forum/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=4&t=89015
http://www.unique-southamerica-travel-experience.com/images/pirarucu-copia.jpg
Makes one think twice about fishin’ from your boat (especially if its a SOF!), whatever it turns out to be, on the Amazon as you
PADDLE ON!
