Sorry again
I wasn’t bursting the personal bubble. I was bursting the general bubble, mine included, since if it had been Royalex it would have been a really great deal. As it is it’s still not a bad deal and there are some folks that liked the 119k better than the Pack. I don’t think the Pack has a keel but the 119k did and the Kay-noe does. Please correct me if I’m wrong about the Pack. Joe
The Pack can be tipsy
Frankly,the difference in weight isn’t that great of a deal. I’ve never cared for the width of the Pack. Much prefer my Wenonah Sandpiper…longer, but narrower, a bit heavier at 41 lbs (actual weight as weighed on a scale). I’ve not seen a 119 so no comparison. Some say the Pack is tippy.
Hmmm
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Fishinpool says he called OT and the manufacturer says it's an OT Pack Angler. That heavy duty plastic seat/backrest could sure account for the weight difference. The OT Pack comes with a wood/web seat and does indeed have a keel. I looked at the OT website and the Pack Angler is identical to the Kay-Noe sans working apron. I doubt that OT geared up a mold for a boat they no longer produce so that Dick's could carry it. All OT plastic boats are "3 layer construction" doesn't matter if they are Polylink 3, Superlink 3 or Royalex. All have a layer of foam sandwiched between two layers of plastic.
Well maybe
the poster at Dick’s is wrong. It’s curious that Old Town would allow Dick’s to undercut it’s local dealers by so much especially since the Pack Angler is a new model.
It’s $399 in Indy at Dicks.
That’s quite a difference in price per market.
YoS
Kay-noe
Basically it is a Pack canoe although it is not made of roylex. I work for a Dicks in Va. Beach, Virginia. The reply from Jefallon is correct. I have no doubts that it would be a good boat. I own an OT Pack and am very pleased with it.
The pack can be tipsey
occassionally. I find it handles very well and is very stable when paddled kneeling. Sitting in the seat with a sit-backer does make it slightly “tipsey” at times. That’s why I’m looking for just a back rest to replace the sit-backer. Otherwise I can’t complain much.
Kay Noe Canoe
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Hello,
I just called Johnson Outdoor company who owns Old Town and a few other canoe/kayak companies.
Pn#360-366-4003
Asked about the construction of the Kay Noe canoe that is in Dick's and the Customer Service rep told me that it's made of Thermaform, which is a one ply sheet that is heated and vaccum formed to a mold of the canoe, it is similar to the pack but just made of a different material, the pack is made of Royalex, the Kay Noe is made of Thermaform which they said is compariable to the poly, but much stiffer, very good canoe for the money. I just purchased mine from Dicks in Cincinnati on sale for $445, about $100 bucks off. I am pleasaed witht the canoe, and it does have a keel that runs from bow to stern. I hope that this helps.
Paddle Away !!
Update, I did some more reaearch and talked to the people at Old Town, here's the edit. Kay Noe is a remake of the Discovery 119K, except this is made in Thermaform poly, which is one ply, much stiffer than just poly. It's 11' 9" long, total weight capacity is 600 lbs, weights about 55 to 60 pounds. It is smaller than the pack in width and lenght. Ph# Old Town 1-800-343-1555
Kay-Noe Canoe
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Hello,
I am holding in my hands the Dick's "Canoe Guide".
It states that the Kay-Noe is:
11'9" x 32 1/2".
475 Capacity
Weights 43 pounds
Strong, lightweight Polylink3 hull,
single molded seat with back.
Current Price in their Natick, Mass store is $449.
Kay-Noe
Yes the Kay-noe is a Pack Angler made of a different material. I purchased one this afternoon at Dick’s for $400 and spent the rest of the day on Lake Lanier fishing. Haven’t been in a canoe for 20+ years and was very pleased with the performance. I will say the same things for this canoe as the reviews that I read for the Pack Angler. A LITTLE TIPPY. EASY TO LOAD, AND DESCENT TRACKING. I used a standard canoe paddle and tomorrow will try a kayak paddle on the Chatahoochee. As the reviews on the Pack state I believe I will be more pleased using the kayak paddle. My Dachshund enjoys riding in it also and even with the noise he kept making was able to catch and release 2 nice bass.
field and stream kay-noe
I dont know if its made by old town but it weights 43 lbs and is 11 feet 9 inches long with lowered seat to lower center of gravity , has speed and manueverability of a kayak with the dryness of a canoe, capnront
field and stream kay-noe, y
Dicks brosure says its made of polylink 3
kay-noe
The Kay-Noe is without a doubt made by Old Town Canoes. If you Purchase one as I did, you will find that the owner manual is from Old Town Canoes. Have used mine numerous times on the Chatahoochee and on Lake Lanier and I am enjoying it greatly. Kay-Noe and Joes Flies, a great combo for trout all day long. Catch and release of course!
Polylink/Superlink Repair
Hi,
I’ve been looking for a solo canoe since spring. I thought Buffalo Canoes in Ark. was making me one but all I’ve gotten is the run-around. I was previously looking at the Pack and the local Dick’s had one for $549 in May that’s of course gone now. I need a smaller boat to car top on a two door Blazer and it needs to fit in my garage without taking up most of the room of a car. I just sold Buffalo’a equivalent of the Discovery 158 for those reasons. Also, I’m a whitewater kayaker and I like a boat that turns sharper even if it’s not as fast. I’ve been stuck on Royalex because everything I’ve seen says it’s easier to repair than the other plastics. So, what’s the real story with Polylink/Superlink? Can it be successfully repaired? I’ve also been looking at the “Field & Stream” 12’ canoe that they now have at the local Dick’s but am apprehensive about it being a “throw away” boat once it gets wear/damage. I’ve been paddling for almost 30 years so the chances of my crashing the boat are minimal but there’s also the question of wear-through from shallow shoals. This boat would never see anything above a Class II, it’s strictly for tame rivers, anything higher gets my whitewater kayak.
The “Kay-Noe” is only $399 at Dick’s right now and I can’t decide whether of not to pull the trigger.
Thanks ahead for any comments/suggestions. 
repair
I’ve had my Kay-Noe for 4 months now and have hit and gone over numerous shoals on the Chattahoochee, sometimes water conditions make them difficult to see. There are numerous scratches on the hull but nothing that is even near being in need of repair. The hull is very durable! You mention your 2 door Bronco, I have a Ford Escape, the Kay-noe slides easily on top of the factory roof racks. I do find that it tracks much better with a kayak paddle because of its length, more speed also.
Field and Strteam Kay - noe
The owners manual that came with my Kay-Noe said Old Town Canoe using the pack mold but used polkylink 3 with a weight of 43 Ils( Period).Great boat love it. I paid $399 plus tax at Dicksd sporting goods. capnront
Polylink repair
I’ve been paddling a 17 foot Coleman on river camping trips for about 25 years. I dealt with the inevitable abrasion of the keel by gluing Kevlar skid plates onto the ends of the canoe. Although I am sure that there have been advances in the plastics used in these types of boats, it seems that the difficulties in getting epoxy to stick to the low surface tension plastics persist.
I used West Systems G/Flex epoxy to glue the Kevlar skid plates onto my Coleman. The basics for this type of repair is outlined in Epoxyworks Magazine
http://www.epoxyworks.com/16/index16.html.
The good folks at Blue Mountain Outfitters (Marysville, Pa) suggested applying G/flex to the flame treated plastic and using a mix of G/flex and WestSystems Epoxy to “wet out” the Kevlar.
The process worked perfectly for me. Good Luck
Kay-Noe
Nice, little boat! $350 on sale at Dick’s Melbourne,FL earlier this fall. Actually weighs 50 lbs as sold, 43 only if you remove the plastic seat and metal seat brackets. Can be a handful to cartop solo in some circumstances-it’s no 33lb Pack, that’s for sure.
I gave in to the Dark Side- my extra paddle is now a 2-pc 240cm Manta Ray kayak paddle that I use whenever I need more horsepower. Can’t beat it when the wind and tide is against you.
I like to change seating positions throughout the day and even stand in the canoe to fish or pole through the shallows. I cut a 1x4 board that fits between the gunnels and sits on the aft end of the seat brackets. When I want to sit up high I lay the board on the seat brackets, fold the seat forward, and lay my seat cushion across the two. Feels just like the seating position of a full-size canoe. By chance, the same board makes a nice footbrace wedged beneath the forward thwart when you’re in the stock seat.
55 liter dry bags full of camping gear will stuff in either end and they won’t be in the way.
I use two 3lb folding grapnel anchors when I’m fishing- one out either end with 1/8" line fed through an eyebolt in each end to guide the line. $5 Plastic v-cleats screwed to the inside of the gunnels adjust and release the anchor rope quickly.
Overall, a good compromise boat for fishing, camping and day tripping. Very maneuverable in tight waterways with lots of snags and blowdowns and can still be motored upwind and upstream with a kayak paddle
Field and Stream - Kay-pro
I saw this at Dick’s Sporting Goods today, too. It is definitely not the “Old Town Pack.” It is not made of Royalex (the Pack is) and it weighs 43 lbs (the Pack weighs 33 lbs). The Pack costs twice as much as the Kay-pro. I’m trying now to find reviews on the Kay-pro.
Kay-Noe from Dick’s
Anyone in the market should look at Dicks soon. I got a Kay-Noe (made by Old Town) there last weekend for $299 in Grand Rapids.