I want Help Selecting My First Touring Kayak

Hello everyone,

I am looking to purchase my first touring kayak & I want get some advice from experienced paddlers here. I have done some research but I am still a bit unsure about what features to prioritize and what might suit my needs best.

I plan to use the kayak for day trips and occasional weekend outings on lakes and calm rivers. I am not looking for something too specialized or extreme at this point.

I am around 6 feet tall and weigh about 200 pounds. I am considering a kayak with a length of around 12 to 15 feet. I would like to know if this size is suitable and if it will offer enough space for comfortable paddling.

I have seen kayaks made from various materials like polyethylene, fiberglass & composites. What are the pros and cons of each, especially in terms of durability & weight?

Also, I have gone through this resorse/artical; https://forums.paddling.com/t/first-kayak-helpsalesforce-cpq which definitely helped me out a lot. if you have any rescores please share with me.

My budget is between $800 and $1,200. What are some brands or models that you would suggest for this range of money?

Thank you in advance for your help…:slight_smile:

What conditions, distances, loads, bodies of water. What are your skills? Are you interested in a playful boat, speed, load capacity, comfort, primary stability?

I highly recommend this book. It will help answer your questions.
https://www.amazon.com/Art-Kayaking-Everything-About-Paddling/dp/1493025708

You’ll probably get lots of good advice here. I’ll offer three suggestions, all unrelated to specific boat selection:

  1. Look at the used market. Depending on your location, you should find a decent variety of quality boats in very good shape in your price range.
  2. Try before you buy if at all possible, or at least sit in those you’re interested in. No two people experience the same boat in exactly the same way.
  3. How will you get your boat to the launch site? Unless you’re in excellent shape, you won’t get out as often if getting the boat on your car or carrying it to the water is a struggle.
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Agree with all but especially emphasize #3.
Unless you store the boat at the water, ensuring it is as easy as possible to get to the water is of paramount importance. Everything else is secondary. If there is an obstacle to getting it in the water, then you will likely do it less and less over time. So if you are not storing at the water’s edge, then consider cartop or trailer, then you can decide on how to weigh your decision for boat weight considerations.

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I have really enjoyed my old 14 foot Dagger Alchemy. Check out Dagger’s 14 footers:

Folks on here have said nice things about their newer models.

Good advice above. More generic suggestions:

  1. 14 foot is a good length.
  2. Hatches and bulkheads are a plus, especially a day hatch.
  3. A cockpit that is long enough for you to sit butt first and then straighten your legs is a huge plus. It’s a lot harder when you have to slide your legs in first.
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I’m not going to go into Layup, vs Rotomolded, etc. The first thing you want to do is Paddle one, find an outfitter who will let you demo a kayak even if you have to rent one.

then paddle for a few hours, and see if the seat is comfortable, if you can’t be in the boat for 3+ hours straight or need to modify the seat or add padding then it’s not going to be the right boat for you.

I’ve been paddling for 40+ years and pretty much can tell within the first 15 minutes if the seat might be a problem for me. that’s the first hurdle you need to account for because touring you’re going to be in the drivers seat for a bit.

After that you need to look at where you are going to be paddling. if there’s alot of rocks that you could bang off of then you might not want a Layup boat, damage that gelcoat and you’ll be crying.

If you struggle with boat weight then you might want a layup boat.

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I’d like to clarify what I hope was being said.

The main hatches and bulkheads in front and back of the boat should be requirements. Kayak company marketing may call these storage, but you want them even if you never se them as storage, as the are inherent flotation. Without this flotation, were you to capsize in deep water, you would not be able to get back in and drain the boat out. To safely use boat without flotation means staying close enough to shore than you can swim back should you flip. If you plan to do other than this, you want flotation fore and aft.

An extra/separate hatch either right behind the cockpit (day hatch) or between your legs on front deck is a nice to have.

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Plenty of people, myself included, have toured with boats with no bulkheads using float bags and dry bags, but they are a pita compared to hatches. I don’t recall seeing boats with hatches until the late eighties, tho I’m sure they were available before then. Pics here bring back memories; I might have one of the boats in this shop pic in my garage: https://paddlingmag.com/stories/features/history-of-sea-kayaking/

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I would ask will you ever be on tight rivers or creeks, doing Class III whitewater. If so, a shorter boat that is also more nimble will allow that (12-14’ IMHO). But of you’re sticking to wide rivers, bays, estuaries, coastlines, then longer boat gives you speed, usually, so less tiring. Don’t forget how bulky or vertical hull will be: affects wind resistance.

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I like composite/fiberglass over plastics. They are lighter, durable, and more easily repaired. That is not to say that plastic is a bad choice, and in the case of WW the preferred choice. Just stating my choice. All the kayaks and canoes I now paddle are composites. They generally do cost more when new. However, on the used market you can find some good deals. All my boats where bought used except for my first canoe and the kayak I built. Of the 7 used composite boats I have owned the most I paid was $850. I paddle boats 16 to 17 feet long in all kinds of water from swamps, twisty rivers to ocean surf. I am 5’11" and 185 pounds. I think 14 to 15 is fine for what you want it depends on the design more than length

I suggest when you find something you are interested in you post to get feedback on them. There are many models that would work for what you want to do.

The advantages of plastic boats is durability and cost. They are almost indestructible and generally cost quite a bit less than composite boats.

The primary advantage of composite boats is weight. Why is weight important? It makes it easier the get the boat on and off of your car and to and from the water.

Performance? Little difference once you get the boats moving on the water. A lighter composite boat will have slightly better acceleration and probably have a slight advantage in maneuverability. However, I don’t know of any competent paddler that will have difficulty in keeping up in a group that has composite boats in it.

If paddling shallow rocky rivers or frequently landing on rocky shores, plastic is the way to go. If often portaging between lakes or launching where it is a long carry to the water, a lighter composite boat is usually the way to go.

In either case, especially with a first boat, used is the way to go. It will often cost half of what a new boat will cost and after you know the pluses and minuses of the boat and want to move on to a more suitable boat, you can usually sell a used boat for about what you paid for it. Kayaks, with minimal care will last for decades and they don’t change much from year to year.

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I’m going to chime in here namely because I don;t always see eye to eye, with most people here in the group.

So I’m going to preface it with that this is my opinions and the things that work for me as always your mileage might vary.

So you’re asking about 1st touring kayak, so some follow on questions here would be.

  1. what are your launch conditions, Kayak Launch, Launch from a dock, Launching from shore, Rocky, Sandy, Muddy.

If rocky I would shy away from composite boats unless you plan to be walking them out where the boat isn’t grounding on the bottom. Any other of the launch areas either composite or Rotomolded.

  1. Pricing consideration. Composite is going to generally 2-3x the cost of a rotomolded, for a new boat. Used, the prices can be all over the places things to look for if it’s rotomolded is to look for sun damage. see how the boat was stored, and look that the plastic is flexible and not brittle. UV will eventually degrade a Roto boat they will get brittle and crack. Composite look for flaking of the gelcoat and for spongy spots in the fiberglass, carbon fiber etc… This is not a deal breaker just a point for price negotiation.

  2. Length, Longer boats are faster, no a lot of people will say “I’m not interested in speed” Great, but speed also translates to ease in paddling. A 6 knot hull paddled at 4 Mph (a quite easy pace) will be easier to paddle and take less energy than a 5 knot hull. So if you are on big water where length isn’t a factor, say paddling about the Chesapeake bay longer will suit you better. however if you are on smaller lakes or smaller rivers a shorter boat will probably suit you better. Since I don’t know where you intend to paddle I’m going to assume here big water and 10+ mile paddles.

  3. Use case, Just paddling for a few hours, or paddling for a few hours to go camp somewhere, on multi-day trips. Here, for the multi-day trips longer is again better, this gives you generally more displacement volume allowing you to carry more weight of water, gear, food etc… As example the Tsunami 175 has a 400lb capacity, where as the Tsunami 145 only has a 350 lb capacity. so take that capacity and subtract your weight and that’s the max gear you can carry. I bought my boat when I was 250lb my normal camping load out is around 90lb that gives me 60 lb headroom for food and water on the 175, but only 10lb on the 145. However if just paddling about the weight loading does not matter.

Finally along this line of Kayak camping, you need to consider Skeg vs. Rudder, Skeg does eat up some real estate in you aft compartment so if you have bulky things that can’t be tucked to either side of the skeg you might want to consider a rudder equipped boat.

  1. Stability, do you want rock stable sacrificing some maneuverability or something that’s a bit more maneuverable at the expense of some stability. Newer paddlers may be turned off by slightly tippy especially in rougher conditions. What I’ve found here is hard Chine, is a bit more stable than soft chine, on the other hand you can turn a soft chine boat much tighter than one with a hard chine, so again going long distance (Miles) this may not matter or matter as much, you pick a heading and head out on it. but on smaller rivers or even larger rivers but with big boulders in places you may want or need a much more maneuverable boat.

Now my personal favorites are the Wilderness Systems boats, mostly because their seats fit my ass very well and I can sit in them for hours. As a Beginner boat my Tsunami 175 was fantastic, I could pack a tone of gear in it, and go for miles easily (15-30 miles.) Being rotomolded I didn’t have to worry about finding a soft sandy landing spot on any of the islands or being extra careful about rocks (Bonk!) And it’s fast enough for me to do respectfully well in the races I participate in yearly.

So to be honest the 175 holds a special place in my heart so I am a bit biased. It’s hard chined, so it’s stable to the nth degree (On calm flat water I’ve stood up in it…) it’s not a turner but it’s choice for going anywhere were there is a possibility of rougher conditions.

I bought my son a Tempest 170 so he had a better boat for the races, and after paddling that for a bit. I decided I wanted a tempest too for racing. I found a Composite 180 Pro model and snatched it up. I have to be more careful with it. and had to yell at one of the race wardens when post race he “helped” me by dragging my boat up on the rocks luckily the full length keel strip I put on it took the brunt of the damage. though there is now a small chip in the gelcoat I need to fix. But to this day the 175 is still my favorite though I’m also on the hunt for a 18ft Stellar for racing that is in my price range.

So having said all that my recommendation would be for a Tsunami, 145, 165 or 175 depending on your paddler size (I’m a human gorilla 6’4" and nearly 250, getting in race shape so losing weight.) and use case. With this boat you cant go wrong as a novice paddler or first time touring paddler. It’s comfortable stable, and has ample cargo storage. If you want a tad more speed in a more traditional sea kayak design Look at the Tempest 160 or 170. You can find them cheap enough used.

to that end there is someone here selling two Tsunami 175’s here for $800. I don;t know if that’s for one or both but they’re listed here on the classified page.

Hopefully this helps you and feel free to ask me any follow on questions.

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Also like Wilderness Systems for the incredible stability. The 145 Tsunami is great for open water of the Upper Chesapeake Bay. However, when winds go above 10 to 15 mph with gusts over 20 mph, the 145 length begins to fly off the wave peaks and plung into the troughs between peaks; that cuts into speed by about .5 mph. The longer length of the 175 bridges the peaks better and makes it easier to keep up speed. It doesn’t mean the 145 can’t handle the waves, it just means you need to slow down to reduce the plunge or put on a spray skirt to divert the waves washing over the deck.

The shorter boat is lighter, easier to carry and transport, less influenced by wind cocking, and tracks straighter by edging alone. Depends on your size and how pr where you paddle. The pre-2022 Tsunami 140 models are 24 inches wide, compared to the new models that for some reason they increased thr width to 25.5 inches. The 24 inch wide model is best suited for 140 to165 lbs paddlers.

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Craig raised an important point about boat length and speed. The topic of hull speed is often unnecessarily complicated, whe the advantage of the hull speed formula is the simplicity. Hull form, chines, the bow and stern shape, width, draft all play a part in boat speed. Kayak hulls designed for racing reduce the the bow wave that creates the trough that causes a desplacement hull to get trapped between the building bow wave and the water rushing back to that which was displaced by the passing boat.

When selecting a kayak, new kayaker are often advised that a specific length is important, but the reason is typically vague. Basically, the longer the boat, the better it will be able to bridge the trough related to the hull speed principle. Other factors influence how fast your boat will accelerate, how long it glides, or whether it cuts through waves or flies and dives. However, the primary feature that limits paddling speed is length; all other features only influence potential speed by plus or minus 10 percent.

The easy to use chart shows the relationship between boat length and the speed cap. You can expect actual speeds to vary but all 14 ft kayaks will hit a wall around 5.8 mph, which is where it becomes exponentially harder to increase the average speed by even a few tenths of a mph. It doesnt mean the boat won’t go faster, just that it will eventually become ten times harder to go. 1 mph faster, and if you press harder, the boat will become unstable and get squirrelly.

Longer doesn’t necessarily mean faster. If you have problems maintaining an average speed of 3.5 mph over 10 miles, you won’t really benefit by going up to a 17 ft boat, and you may actually find the long boat to be slower. Some will argue longer boats have greater wetted surface and all of that, but typically a plastic 145 model and the same model in 175 will be end up with the longer boat being 12 lbs heavier. So it displaces my 255 lbs of lard, as well as nearly an addition 1 1/2 gallons of water, which accounts for the additional wetted surface. One way to understand that is to compare a 175 ft plastic boat @ 69 lbs with a 175 composite boat @ 49 lbs, which is nearly 10 lbs lighter than the 145 plastic @57 lbs and 20 lbs lighter than the 175 plastic. Now, which boat has more wetted surface? The real question is whether you want durability, lightness, speed, control, and so on, and how much are you willing to spend for it. There are few perfect boats. Only you can find thr perfect boat for you. My 140 lb sister couldn’t stand paddling my 14.5 ft long by 24.5 inch wide Tsunami, but she lives her 14.0 ft by 24 inch wide Tsunami. Based on her comments, she would dislike the new 140 Tsunami at 25.5 inches wide (I still don’t understand the logic of WS adding what amounts to 1 inch to the width of a 145 and then reducing the length by 6 inches. My sister didn’t like the width of my 145 at 24.5 inches. Great corporate decision).

All I can tell you is the features I like, and how ot performs. I upgraded to a 12 ft kayak, ghen a 14 ft kayak, the a 17 ft kayak because each upgrade allowed me to handle more severe conditions, but that doesn’t mean you need the same thing. My 9 ft 6 in rec boat was fine near shore in a protected cove, but in open water, the wind resistance, current from an outgoing tide and wave height reduced my forward speed to about .5 mph, while the 145 kayak coukd manage 4.75 mph and the 175 could manage 5.0 mph. If you’re ability is limited to 3.5 mpg, a 125 kayak would perform adequately. Its all relative to what you intend to face. If you paddle on a 3 mile long by 1/2 mile wide lake, you don’t need the same boat that a person needs in more taxing conditions, such as the San Francisco Bay which has incredible tidal currents, being a basin with a narrow entrance. Similarly, the Great Lakes or the conditions @szihn describes where he paddles in Wyoming require very different boats. You need to understand that speed is relative. At two miles from the launch, .5 mph means four hours. Fine if you have all day, butbif a storm is approaching and estimated at 30 minutes away. You better be making 5 mph of progress.

My first kayak was lots of fun. 9 ft 6 in by 30 inches wide. Since I’m a strong paddler (who displaces a lot of water which was then 255 lbs), it was easy for me to paddle to speeds that buried the stern as the kayak tried to climb the growing bow wave. I didn’t understand the concept of hull speed and eventually reached an impass.

I went out on a fair day. After a few hours, the moderate wind changed to 10 to 15 mph and changed to West so I got caught in the .5 mph trap. Speed is no big deal if you stay close to home, but as you explore further and veture into open water, understand the limitations of your kayak. Sometimes speed isn’t about physical prowess or bragging rights. It can be critical to your survival when facing unexpected conditions.

Its important to realize that safe load capacity depends on displacement, which depends on width, length and draft. You need to fit the safe load limit of the kayak so it floats at the designed load-water-line. That enhances the performance parameters of the design. Overloading the boat can make the handling more difficult and decrease the freeboard beyween the water and the coaming. Edge an overloaded boat could make the manuever less effective, and not having enough weight could make it more susceptible to the influence of wind.

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Now that’s a cool post John. Thanks. that chart seems to be pretty close to what I have observed. I can see small differences in different kayaks but if I had a way to measure speed accurately I’d bet there is not a large percentage of difference from “real world” and what the chart shows.

As examples I own 3 touring kayaks now and of them all the Chatham is the fastest. It’s 21.3 inches wide and 17’ 4" long, but the water line is only a little longer then my other 2 kayaks, both of which are 16.5 feet long. My Sea Lion is 24 inches wide and my fathom is 22.5 inches wide.
When I 1st got the Fathom I expected it to be faster then the Chatham because it has only a slightly shorter waterline an d 13 pounds lighter but that extra width must be the thing that keeps it at the speed it does. It’s fast but not faster then the Chatham and so far my best speeds are still in the Chatham.
My Sea Lion is 1.5" wider then the Fathom and of the 3 it’s the slowest. Not a lot. On a few measured legs from point to point on the lake’s shore I find I come in about 10-15 minutes slower in the Sea Lion then I do in the Chatham, and about 5-7 minutes slower with the Fathom. but the averages are consistent. The legs I have timed are 2.8 miles for one and 3.4 miles for the other.

The Sea Lion has a rudder and easily weather cocks without it’s use if the winds are 10 MPH or more, so that makes it the easiest to control in winds but also the slowest, because of the drag the rugger gives to hold the bow point-on what I want to go. It’s not a lot slower but it is slower.

So the issues from one trip to another and one kayak to another can get complex, but I think the foundation of speed is simple. Less resistance = more speed at a given amount of energy used , or the same speed for less energy used.

Past a certain amount of “narrowness” and a certain amount of weight we hit the point of max speed for a given amount of energy available. It’s the reason we don’t all have 28 foot long kayaks that are 17 inches wide. It’s all about give and take. Longer is faster until it gets so long it weighs more then a “1 person-power engine” can overcome. A stronger or more efficient engine will move a kayak faster.
When I 1st started out I saw the effects of ability VS gear in my 1st and 2nd years. Some of the people I met were REALLY experienced at paddling kayaks and had top notch paddles and very very good kayaks but if I’d trade them both the kayak and the paddle they would still outrun me.

What that taught me is to be mindful of technique and get as good as I can get by paying attention to the small things. Paying attention to the small things makes the big things take care of themselves. (thank you VERY much for your coaching and idea-bouncing)

I went out with friend last summer for a river trip and got comment’s at how fast I could move the Old Town Loon. I was not trying to go fast, and the whole group should stay together so I’d go back and forth among the other kayaks, but I remembered doing the same trip 4 years ago with some of the same friends when I was about the same speed as all of them. 4 years of paddling sea kayaks and trying to pay attention to the form of my strokes have now spilled over to going back to the little water-bug rec kayak, but now I move the rec kayak much faster with out even trying to move it fast.
Paddling the 10.5 foot Loon like I paddle my 17’ 4" Chatham shows me a big difference in how well I can perform with the Loon. Not just speed. Also in turns and bracing in rapids. Learning the details did really help, and it helps more then you’d think it would.

It’s evident to me that the same idea of learning fighting skills applies to kayaking.
Slow is smooth and smooth becomes fast. Learn slowly enough to get it right and the speed comes by itself.

All that said, resistance VS power is always the key to speed in anything from cars to aircraft to skate boards to kayaks ---- and the engineers can design something to slip past resistance better, but it’s up to the operator to acquire the skills and power needed to make it work at top efficiency.

An unskilled paddler in a sleek kayak with the best paddle is still slower then a skilled paddler in a recreational kayak with a Walmart paddle

And if that unskilled paddler is me, he also learns how to do choppy water re-entries very well.
(Just take a guess as to why that was.)

I believe you mentioned that your wife can avtually outpaddle you at times. Strength plays a role, but there are other factors, such as overall boat weight, conditioning, and paddling efficiency

My sister’s 140 Tsunami weighs about 52 lbs, while my 145 is 59 lbs. Her combined wight/boat is 197 lbs. My combined weight was 314 lbs, or 117 lbs difference. 117 ÷ 8.3 = 14 gallons of water more displacement. Since then, I lost 25 lbs (my friend told me to turn around and I’d find them), or three gallons of displacement. If I bought a 49 lb bost that would make a 4 gallon difference in displacement.

If we started the season together, our avg speed numbers were consistently around .3 mph slower than my solo numbers. I spent 15 years improvi g my stroke by watching her inefficiency and uneven power output. She’s six years my senior, yet she’s the only person (until I paddled with another member of the forum) i paddled with who can keep up with me. The .3 mph difference is not significant. The gap widens if she misses a few week without going out. Pur gap increases to about a full mile per hour. She says I’m faster because of physical strength, but I disagree. It has to do with wasted energy and conditioning.

The first issue is how she starts out paddling too hard at the beginning because she’s fresh. That taps into her glycogen reserves in the muscles rather than setting herself up to click over to aerobic. Consequently, while I’m on the edge of hanging with her at the outset, I literally have to cut back my stroke to hang back with her after 30 minutes, or about 2 miles. Then I have enough stamina and power to either run an occasionsl zig zag or paddle a circle around her to hang back. At the end, I can finish the last 2 mile stretch at full speed to finish 3 to five minutes before her.

The second issue is that all of her power comes from her arms and shoulders. There is no torso rotation. Her off hand never crosses the centerline of the kayak, so there’s a difference in the direction of force, how long the power is applied, and how much water is lifted at the exit. It all takes a toll. We both use the same paddle, but mine is 10 cm longer, yet I still swing a higher cadence of at least 10 spm. I fully believe that she would be faster than me if she followed my suggestions. However, older sibling tend to reject the advice of the youngster (even though I am 73).

I can’t stand paddling with other people and have to watch their struggling. I’ve only paddled with two people who know how to paddle efficiently. My sister would typically allow the water conditions to defeat her, while I switch modes that allows me to balance power outlut.

I know she’s more capable because when we’re on the water and a storm materializes, she takes off. Once I stopped for a drink of water and it took two miles for me to catch her, because she was focusing more intently on her form.

I like how you compared it to shooting. I think I learned more as a line instructor than by shooting, because I was able to see where others were making mistakes. You can learn a lot about paddling efficiency by watching other kayakers paddle. This past season, I learned quite a bit just watching another paddler. Speed doesn’t necessarily require more power.