:)… a little lamp chairs and a sofa?
… I can’t imagine taking 125 pounds of “stuff” but then again, I’d rather sit on a stump or driftwood log than pack a chair…just personal comfort/preferences…
ROLF - me neither but do I know :). Especially in my case, my trips will be short: one night, maybe two… “Camping” will be simply for resting well and then more paddling 
Do you do a lot of overnight trips? longer trips?
Just keep making them BETTER Steve!
"…my real work is done here in Washington state…testing and coming up with ideas…and answering p.net questions…;-)"
Thank you Steve, you and your company should be proud. Just keep making them even BETTER… and you will sell them for ever
The fact you are listeinign to us, speaks well for the company.
Take care
It’s called Confirmation Bias
we all do it to some extent.
Any ideas on which Paddle to get?
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I am taking tips... it has to be light, durable... not extragantly expensive. Maximum $ 250! (for a good one on sale.)
You don’t need 145 lbs of cargo
Geez. Figure 50 lbs for your gear, add in food and water, and you’re still waaaaaay under 145 lbs. Under 100 lbs! And you sure don’t need 50 lbs of gear for an overnighter (less clothing).
I’d demo both, but not because of the gear. Demo for the FIT on you.
I have a T165 and love it for both camping and day trips. But the combined weight of me and 2 weeks’ worth of camping supplies (I carry no more than 2 gals of water because I filter fresh water from streams or lakes) is less than your body weight alone.
Rique2005
I love your enthusiasm. You are getting the best advice available, bar none. But whatever you do once you get the boat, don’t change your name to Tempest 165!
Inside joke.
Andy
equipment for three nights
hennessy hammock
go lite den 2 tent
snylon tarp camo 10 x 10
snugpak sleeping pad
3 granite gear bags that hold stove and fuel, food, miscellaneous items: food is freeze dried, tuna or salmon packets, coffee press and hot chocolate mixes, aluminum cookset.
crazy creek chair.
Long dry bag that holds extra long johns, thernal pants and long sleeve shirt, 3 pairs fleece socks, neos for camp shoes, rainsuit.
Water in 100 oz bladders. Extra water in either the big plastic bottles 1 liter that fit anywhere and everywhere or extra bladders and filter (katadyn) bottle.
without water my pack weighs 37 lbs.
If it is the tempest that you are going to get, the 165 will handle all that i mentioned just fine. Now if you want to bring a blow up full sized mattress that is another thing entirely.
don’t forget the small container of parmesan cheese!
Paul
It’s a “Kit” … not “pack”…
I
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would look at brands such as Lendal, Werner, epic
of the 3 MY favorite is the Lendal, for some its a differant brand.
I like the adapability of Lendals 4 piece paddle with the paddleloc system. If you want a shorter paddle down the road all you buy is the paddle shaft. If you want bigger or smaller blades , you only buy a set of blades....you can buy a 215 shaft, and the cheaper blades for now and later bleed a little and buy carbon blades to replace the heavier N12 blades....I prefer the crankshaft, some prefer a straight shaft....some of this is personal preferance or wrist injuy caused....I find that the crankshaft works best for me
The paddle is every bit as important a purchase as The boat
All this said, the last few (maybe 6 or 7) years I've been using Greenland paddles....and dearly love my carbon Greenland paddle made by Superior Kayak, Inc.
Good paddles that are light are not very inexpensive....if you can't afford the one you want after looking at all the quality paddles out there...buy the one you would want as spare a few years down the road after you can afford it.
Paddles are your lifeblood in the paddling sport....buy the best you can afford the first time ...most of us that have been paddling awhile have worked our way up the food chain over a series of years and will tell you ....when it comes to paddles.....you do get what you pay for, there are differances
Best Wishes
Roy
Leave the chair at home!
The folding Crazy Creek weighs little
I thought it was a waste to carry chairs till I “demo’d” someone else’s Crazy Creek on a long trip.
Yeah, I bought one soon afterward.
If I didn’t read and write on the trip, I wouldn’t bother. But it makes a huge difference in back comfort to sit in that adjustable mini-lounger instead of hunching crosslegged and bent over.
Well worth the slight added weight, on longer trips. I wouldn’t bother bringing it on an overnighter. Then again, I wouldn’t bother packing a stove and cook kit on an overnighter, either. Probably would skip the tent also.
I
carry about the same things for an overniter as I do for a week or two…I just carry less food and fuel…sometimes the weather turns and …an overniter becomes…More
Best Wishes
Roy
its a kit
when I carry tea
Hi I am agent Tempest 000165!
:)… Yes I know… I love the tips and advice who have learned all these things the hard way.
"Agent Tempest 000 000 165 here. Yes, may I speak to agent Crusseau? - LOL
Parmesan?.. “how to pack a Pizza…”
hennessy hammock
go lite den 2 tent
snylon tarp camo 10 x 10
snugpak sleeping pad
3 granite gear bags that hold stove and fuel, food, miscellaneous items: food is freeze dried, tuna or salmon packets, coffee press and hot chocolate mixes, aluminum cookset.
crazy creek chair.
Long dry bag that holds extra long johns, thernal pants and long sleeve shirt, 3 pairs fleece socks, neos for camp shoes, rainsuit.
Water in 100 oz bladders. Extra water in either the big plastic bottles 1 liter that fit anywhere and everywhere or extra bladders and filter (katadyn) bottle.
without water my pack weighs 37 lbs.
Excellent!.. then I have plenty of space to take my pillow
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If it is the tempest that you are going to get, the 165 will handle all that i mentioned just fine. Now if you want to bring a blow up full sized mattress that is another thing entirely.
don’t forget the small container of parmesan cheese!
You mean for cooking?.. or for the PIZZA in the first water proof container?
Makes sense! Thanks
I will check your info on paddles…
and will come back to you.
Rique
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would look at brands such as Lendal, Werner, epic
of the 3 MY favorite is the Lendal, for some its a differant brand.
I like the adapability of Lendals 4 piece paddle with the paddleloc system. If you want a shorter paddle down the road all you buy is the paddle shaft. If you want bigger or smaller blades , you only buy a set of blades…you can buy a 215 shaft, and the cheaper blades for now and later bleed a little and buy carbon blades to replace the heavier N12 blades…I prefer the crankshaft, some prefer a straight shaft…some of this is personal preferance or wrist injuy caused…I find that the crankshaft works best for me
Aha… I will check them
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The paddle is every bit as important a purchase as what boat
I AGREE!
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All this said, the last few (maybe 6 or 7) years I’ve been using Greenland paddles…and dearly love my carbon Greenland paddle made by Superior Kayak, Inc.
Aha… I will check
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Good paddles that are light are not very inexpensive…if you can’t afford the one you want after looking at all the quality paddles out there…buy the one you would want as spare a few years down the road after you can afford it.ok
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Paddles are your lifeblood in the paddling sport…buy the best you can afford the first time …most of us that have been paddling awhile have worked our way up the food chain over a series of years and will tell you …when it comes to paddles…you do get what you pay for, there are differances
Best Wishes
Roy
Thanks.
Same to you… but don’t go yet!
paddle choice:
Fadered said: “The paddle is every bit as important a purchase as what boat”
i will go so far to say that for me the paddle is more important…most likely in most people’s hands a paddle will outlast a boat…so you get a nice and friendly paddle and you will kepp it for a long time…you see people selling off their boats for a new one veryonce in awhile…but there seems to be less turnover of paddles out there (even less if you have aLendal )…you can always use your paddle with any boat…i would rather carry my 4 piece lendal than get stuck with an aluminum 4# clunker on a trip somewhere when i am renting too…
r
Clothing is less for an overnighter
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The weather for the next 2 days is also easier to predict than for 2 weeks, which is why I might ditch the tent for an overnighter but nothing longer than that (I always pack a tarp and "emergency blanket", though).
Difference between 1 week and 1 month = only food and water
Difference between 1 night and 1 week = food and water and clothing (and maybe the cooking gear)
do the maths 170 is the way to go
Don’t get me wrong I love the tempest 170, but being a big guy its not a very good expedition boat for someone my size.
I use it as my casual day boat but when I work on a five day trip well it’s a submarine.
Just to show you why.
I work on guide on 5 day unsupported expeditions along the Ningaloo Reef and Monkey Mia region of Western Australia
When I work I take 30 lts of water, That 3 lts a day and being a good guide I carry extra for the old what if. (and it happens people washing there hair strange.)
Me 237 .6 Lbs 6 foot 3 (I still play football)
Water 66 lbs 3 x 22 Lbs MSR Dromedary water carriers
It has a so called Max capacity of 325 Lbs just me and my water add up to 303 lbs
Doesn’t leave much for my food, cooking and camping gear. (I was in the Army for a long time so I do know how to pack light.)
If you can fit in the 165 get the 170 mad if you don’t the cockpit and dimensions are the both the same. Worrying about weather cock and all that rubbish the skeg works very well.
What’s the difference in 15cm long and 2cm wide. (a porn star maybe) not worth worry about.
165
LENGTH 16’6" / 503 cm
WIDTH 21.5" / 55 cm
DEPTH 12.5" / 32 cm
COCKPIT LENGTH
34" / 86 cm
WIDTH
18" / 46 cm
WEIGHT 57 lbs / 26 kg
MAX CAPACITY 300 lbs. / 136 kg
170
LENGTH 17’ / 518 cm
WIDTH 22" / 56 cm
DEPTH 13.5" / 34 cm
COCKPIT LENGTH
34" / 86 cm
WIDTH
18" / 46 cm
WEIGHT 61 lbs / 28 kg
MAX CAPACITY 325 lbs / 147 kg
Just more of my two cent
Cheers
Rob
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